Off Topic General Election

He won't be saying anything on Friday if it's after 6 o'clock

 

I think you're looking back with red tinted glasses. If you think just voting out Tories will magically end it and it'll change everything.....I've got some magic beans you can buy

 

Healthcare spending has steadily increased every year since the Tories have been in power. They’ve been crap at managing it but they’ve never decreased spending and the percent of GDP has been steady from 2010-2019 at around 10% and went up to around 12% after that due to the pandemic.

So no, just throwing money at it isn’t the solution. It’s a bogus myth that the Tories have decreased funding for the NHS compared to Labour pre-2010 and I can’t ****ing stand the Tories one bit.

 

The Guardian got wind of Brown’s plan to raid pensions, which wrecked the private pensions of millions, but he put pressure on them and they didn’t publish it, That might have has an effect on voting.

Presumably you want a far left government going by your remarks about Starmer?

 

If they do. Many don't. You don't have to ever specialise and become a consultant. But one of the problems we have is that some junior doctors are so overworked that they quit before then anyway.

 

Spending on the NHS is at record levels in real terms.

 

So your objection is how the NHS’ funding is spent, not how much they get? Great, I agree. Which is why I’m saying it needs reform and throwing money at it won’t solve the issues.

 

I think the average government would have dealt with it far better, because what Johnson and friends did was unforgivably bad. They used it as an opportunity for gain, they ignored their scientific advisors and continually didn't take it seriously enough. Labour would've done better, even a typical Tory government would've done better than that utterly reprehensible one did.

 

Fact check - 12000 more doctors than in 2010 and 120, 000 more nurses - I appreciate this doesn't quite fit the narrative and the lies about underfunding but it is a fact

 

Vast majority of hospital doctors became a consultant eventually.
Yea they do have to specialise. Thats what FY 1-6 is all about
Some drop out to become GPs but guess what….they have to re start their training all over again.

stick to talking what you know about…………

 

I think that's obviously disingenuous. Government giving contracts to their mates via the VIP lane whilst ignoring reputable providers like ARCO is obviously entirely unrelated to how NHS funding affects things like the conditions of junior doctors and nurses, which is where the problems are.

 

Yep...

 

Doesn't the headline spend need to be correlated with the increase in population, particularly aging demographics in order to present a true picture?

Btw I don't think labour gets a free pass on the NHS. Use of PFI's as a short term fix have produced a legacy of their own.

 

Further left than him yes but not far left, as I intimated there's a lot of room to go left of Starmer...

 

You might be right, Charon, i don't know enough about the NHS anymore, but there are around 3 million more pensioners in the UK now than in 2010 and the population is 6-8 million more (this last figure is an estimate, which is mental in itself)..

 

So, a longer lockdown and paying a lot of people to sit at home would have been better? The fact the scientific advisors were not correct in their predictions either.

 

Agreed - at least people live longer under a Tory Govt

 

There has to be more education about living in a democracy and the responsibilities associated with voting.

 

I wouldn't bother, he's so red he's unable to have actual debate about things. Blue bad,red good. He's another, like starmer who just uses the benefit of hindsight to play the blame game and "I'd of done it better" line