Off Topic General Election

They are doctors in training aka trainees!!
they have another 5 years minimum training when they leave medical school.

 

So you've no actual idea then

 

It isn’t. “A junior doctor is any medical graduate who is in further training and not yet qualified to practice independently without supervision.

You could see a “junior doctor” in A&E, have them diagnose you, or put you under anaesthetic.”

 

This is the condescending individual who was telling us a lot of people didn’t have sufficient knowledge of politics to be able to understand the issues enough to vote (in other words those who don’t think like does).

 

Course I don't. I'm nowhere near qualified to decide precisely how to spend funds or what to do.

I just know that under the Tories the waiting lists go up and when they're out the waiting lists go down, and I think that the counter-argument that "spending more money won't fix it" is a disingenuous way of tying the debate up in complexity and distracting focus away from actually doing anything about the situation.

 

The waiting times have increased under the Tories and they are a massive ****show but I think a significant event caused the huge spike after 2020 lmao.

 

Come on, don't let facts get in the way

 

That would be a reasonable deflection if we were discussing 'basically every industry' but we're not,so it isn't.

 

What is your solution then, other than ‘spending more money on it’.

 

If you're a doctor who's not a consultant, you're called a junior doctor. They don't have to be young and may even have many years of experience. It is these people who feel they are underpaid and overworked and who are leaving the NHS in droves, as well as nurses.

 

Qualified enough to make comment though I see....the NHS isn't fit for purpose anymore and that's not down to any party fully. It's down to how wasteful it is, how the population has changed over the years to being way more unhealthy, it trying to serve way more people then it was ever intended to and it needs total reform.

Just shouting as loudly as you can "blame the Tories" or "don't vote Tories" as an answer is just laughable. Until any party has the balls to be totally honest about real change in the NHS, it will continue to be in decline

 

That is not the case.

 

Obviously, but that doesn't change the obvious trend in the rest of the graph.

And their shameful handling of that event made it far worse than it needed to be.

 

I don't think there is another realistic solution, and I don't think there was a good reason to deviate from that plan when it was working pretty well.

 

Yeah, like them wasting billions on dodgy PPE, which comes under healthcare spending lmao.

 

they are still trainees who will receive the full consultant wage when they qualify as a consultant……

 

To anyone complaining that Starmer is not being completely honest about what will happen after the election let's see what he says on Friday and does in the following 5 years.

In the meantime these should be used as the benchmark to assess his level of honesty:

Margaret Thatcher - Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope’ … and to all the British people—howsoever they voted—may I say this. Now that the Election is over, may we get together and strive to serve and strengthen the country of which we're so proud to be a part.

Boris Johnson - And as I think I said 11 years ago to the people of London when I was elected in what was thought of as a Labour city, your hand may have quivered over the ballot paper before you put your cross in the Conservative box and you may intend to return to Labour next time round. “And if that is the case, I am humbled that you have put your trust in me, and that you have put your trust in us. And I, and we, will never take your support for granted. “And I will make it my mission to work night and day, flat out, to prove you right in voting for me this time, and to earn your support in the future. And I say to you that in this election your voice has been heard and about time too.

Nick Clegg - But I can assure you I would not have entered into this agreement unless I was genuinely convinced it was a unique opportunity to deliver the changes you and I believe in:
Fair taxes.
A fair start in life for every child.
A new approach to our discredited banking system and the prospect of green and sustainable economic growth.
And new, open politics which you can trust once again.
So I hope you will now keep faith with us let us prove to you that we can serve this country with humility, with fairness at the heart of everything we do. And with total dedication to the interests and livelihoods of everyone in this country.

PS - I'm not completely happy about Starmer, to me he's 'Tory-lite', but still a better option that any of the current alternatives.

 

You think it would have been handled better under Labour? Any evidence for that other than wishful thinking? When Johnson ended lockdown Starmer said he would be responsible for deaths of 1,000s and called for it to be extended. We had, and still have doctors, refusing to see people face to face, palming you off on to clinicians via telephone calls. During the covid outbreak in France doctors carried on seeing patients face to face unlike our much vaunted health service. BTW, nurses in France get paid less than they do here.

 

Getting rid of the root of the problem is an actual real course of action. Remember, it was alright 15 years ago. We aren't living in a totally different world to then. But we do have a much more cruel government who prioritises syphoning off money to their mates whilst telling everyone there is none for things like healthcare.

 

Absolutely. One of their ways of syphoning off money to preferred parties as I just mentioned in another post.

Really don't think that's an argument against honest healthcare spending though.