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Off Topic GENERAL ELECTION IS ON JULY 4 2024

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by LuisDiazgamechanger, May 22, 2024.

  1. SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING

    SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING Well-Known Member

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    whereabouts in the country are you Z? Farage must be looking at France and rubbing his hands together
     
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  2. Turbia Milk

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    Yes, they should be ripe for invasion now. After all, the French territories should have passed to English crown centuries ago... oh, you're probably talking about the rise of the far right there... still... I think it's time for another invasion.
     
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    Yeah - we still haven't got them back proper for 1066.
     
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  4. SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING

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    oh I don’t know….am pretty sure they’ve had a few bloodied noses since then <laugh>
     
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  5. Turbia Milk

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    I was thinking more of Edward III from 1340 onwards. Edwards III of England should have, quite rightfully, been King of France too- but France disputed it, hence the 100 years war. Silliness aside, I do believe in the political rights of the people to chose who they are ruled by, and I don't believe the French would want to be part of UK, so they're not and shouldn't be... but by rules of inheritance in the Middle Ages- France should be part of the UK.
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Ahem the UK should be part of France as the Normanss were the victors and from Normandy.
     
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  7. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    I have voted already by post.
     
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  8. saintPort&Ginger

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    Well they were Vikings originally - all depends how far back you want to go.
    In reality, European houses were all related to one another and constantly interbreeding, so nationalism is pretty stupid as it's nothing more than internecine squabbling.
     
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  9. Turbia Milk

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    The Normans rulers were Norse though... so part of Denmark, if anything! :)

    William was simultaneously a vassal of French King AND a peer King of a different realm. His Norse holdings WERE subject to taxation and law of the French King, but his English holdings were not. I can't remember who was monarch of France at the time, but William only bent the knee to him in regards to Normandy. Eventually one of his descendants stopped doing that, and Normandy became fully English. I don't recall how Normandy passed from France to England.

    Its kind of weird how things worked in feudalism like that, where it was even completely possible for two people to be vassals of each other.
     
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  10. Zanjinho

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    East Midlands mate.

    I've already voted (postal vote). I didn't go Reform myself although they tick a lot of boxes for me, avoided them because they done shockers in there too, plus I don't like Farage (not that I like any of the others)
     
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    In the end Britons were long since gone. Romans, angles, saxons, celts, jutes normans. For the island fortress it's pretty **** and really farage is going to save thst racial purity?
     
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    I think nationalism is daft. I wonder how many of these people realise that there's hasn't been a truly "English" monarch for almost a thousand years.
     
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    Nationalism- the belief in being superior to other people based on the purely random location in which you were born.
     
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  14. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Today is the last day we have to officially hear from these politicians and tomorrow is the day of fake news and manipulation on line.

    After these days pass we can all stop pretending anyone gets a say in anything as we hand all power to one party for 5 years and move on with our lives.

    .if there are no leadership changes or massive gaffes or dodgy deals then at least we move on in peace
     
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  15. saintPort&Ginger

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    There's been plenty of that already.
     
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    You already know WHO will be PM, you just don't know how much of a majority he will have.
     
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  17. moreinjuredthanowen

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    The law prevents "legacy" media from reporting while polls are open.

    However fakers can post stuff like terrorist are burning pilling stations or thst people are getting turned away if they don't have some spurious document etc.

    It's a free for all on social.media to try influence the easily led to vote or not vote tomorrow.

    For this along scoical.media companies should be forced into serious change.

    The American social media model is damaging to people's mental health, damaging to democracy in general and specifically around elections and honestly until someone has the balls to say no you've no right to anonymity on social media in the free world and that we don't want a musk style free for all this will only get worse.

    It's hilarious that Russia and China control these things rigidly themselves but actively use the free for all here to do damage and get away with it.
     
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  18. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    If for need to change alone, I'm backing a labour government. Tories had messed up too many times in the past fourteen years.
     
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  19. Oddball?

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    All as bad as each other ,need a genuine challenge to the existing parties . Democracy isn't choosing between these pair of self serving parties.
     
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  20. Turbia Milk

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    I hate political parties- I think it drives division and lack of creativity of thought. If you have one party- you only have one idea. If you have two parties you only have two ideas. If there are no parties- you have as many ideas as you have in Parliament.

    I've always thought ideally there needs to be two legislative bodies... one which is voted in (which unfortunately means political parties) and one selected by sorti.
    A political body selected at random of eligible citizens mean you get a real honest cross-section of the country and what the people of that country believe. No party necessary because you don't need a support structure to get elected. Nor is there any pressure to get re-elected so you don't have the pressure to follow a certain path rather than vote how you feel is right.

    Naturally, the elected body would be there just on the off chance you get mainly nutters in the body elected by sorti. The elected body would be able to delay and prevent laws being passed and be more in place for foreign policy decisions too which require a more nuanced approach.
     
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