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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. ImpSaint

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    No he worked as an advisor for the police board which is independent of the police force!
     
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    This comes across as desperate and pathetic. And I can’t stand Starmer.
     
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    Maybe so but its still true. An independet body that investigates the police force..........is not the police force!!
     
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    No because Le Pen will be guarding her Eastern border and the problem will over time reduce.
     
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    It is a distinction that only someone who was crying into their cereal about a Labour government would even think to make, let alone write a whole article about.
     
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    No, we'll see a stronger form of Blairism. Highlights will include a ramping up of identity politics and constitutional changes designed to remove power from Parliament and keep Labour and/or their politics in government.
     
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    This place is turning into a lunatic asylum. 14 years of insane Tory party rule is rubbing off.
     
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    You can take the Labour bit out there because Labour/Conservative "as is" are the same ;) Starmer will continue the centrist Blairite model that the Tories are following just with a different spin to attempt to make the same things appear to be different. More status Quo.
     
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    27 years of "Centrists" you mean!
     
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    What's wrong with centrists - you would hope that would more likely represent the majority rather than extreme radicals.
     
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    So, in the past three posts, we have:

    - The Labour government will be bad because it will overhaul the constitutional order to keep Labour in power permanently, and;
    - The Labour government will be bad because absolutely nothing will change.
     
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    Okay, for a while I credited you with having upped the intelligence of the right wing nonsense on here, but this is just absurd.

    Yes, Starmer is a centrist, but the Conservatives have been far right of that for quite a while. They are populists and the ‘they are the same’ argument is for the truly gullible. It is a good way of getting those who have suffered under the Tories but do not get politics not to vote.

    Even if they were the same politically, which they are not, Starmer will be an improvement purely in being vaguely competent and not running a party of former UKIP morons.
     
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    It's also a bit rich hearing that Labour will usher in more identity politics, after 18 months of the Tories trying to create an anti-trans backlash and fearmongering over refugees in order to shore up their political standing. That's identity politics too, folks!
     
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    Because it is a shield name that belies the reality. A name to hide behind just as your statement does. How can there be anything wrong with centrist? Because they are not centre at all! They are uber right wing on economics utilising all sorts of "nice things" to send more money up the tree!

    And yes extreme radicals is bad too.

    If Centrists were actually people who did thinks that were sensibly in the centre ground then we would all be happy.....but they aren't. They are all technocrats in essence that merely look to present their management of the countries they are "leading" as being sensible while only focusing on legally redirecting your money up to the big money guys that are really dictating policy.
     
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    Seriously, we're Southampton fans, which means that we have a close connection to the WEF: former Saints chairman and WEF leadership guru, Ralph Krueger.

    Knowing what we know about Ralph, which seems more likely to describe an organization with which he is strongly associated:

    - The WEF is a shadowy network of extremely powerful global elites working to fence everyone in to 15-minute cities from which they cannot leave, and where they are forced to eat bugs, or:

    - The WEF is your standard-issue borefest conference where a bunch of business and political leaders meet up and **** each other off about what visionary leaders they all are without ever saying or doing anything of real consequence.

    Because I know where I'm placing my bets.
     
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    Or they are Spectre that hold their yearly knees up that World leaders promptly turn up to shilling their latest spin on how they can please their paymasters ;)
     
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    Man, someone should tell these folks that phones exist. Would be so much easier to pull off these evil conspiracies via conference call rather than in a very public venue.
     
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    Starmer actually did work with the police in NI, what is false about that?
     
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    I mean, on the identity politics front the Labour manifesto promises "a landmark Race Equality Act", the introduction of "disability and ethnicity pay gap reporting", commits to making "all existing strands of hate crime an aggravated offence" and delivering "a full trans-inclusive ban on conversion practices". That's a ramping up of identity politics. Also worth noting the pay gap requirements for employers will almost certainly be vaguely worded and lead to lawyers advising corporations to go overboard in the same sort of ways they sometimes do in relation to health and safety, on the basis that going beyond the letter of the law is safer and less likely to leave you open to litigation. I wouldn't be shocked to see the introduction of racial or ethnic quotas, similar to the gender quotas already in place in the EU.

    On the constitution, we know Labour are planning to give 16 year olds the vote. Given they supported raising the minimum age when you can get married to 18 just last year it's clear they're not doing this because of any deep-seated belief or principle. I think it's clear they're doing it because they (probably correctly) think 16 and 17 year olds will be more likely to vote Labour.

    It's only 18 months since Gordon Brown's "New Britain" proposals for constitutional reform were published and endorsed by Keir Starmer so it's hardly insane to suggest they'll be implementing those proposals. Those proposals are very clear - they want to take powers away from the UK Parliament and give them to the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish parliaments and to local/regional governments. They also want to create "new, constitutionally protected social rights". The proposals say there should be "specific new social rights, focused on education, health, welfare, and housing, but recognise there are calls for such rights to go further and include, for example, rights relating to the environment and culture." Exactly what these social rights will be isn't clear but it's not hard to see how they will tie the hands of future governments - a constitutional right related to welfare is almost certain to limit the ability of future governments to reform the welfare system.

    We're going to see major changes in the way this country is run. It's all out there in black and white but most people simply aren't aware of it.
     
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