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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by jaffaklopp, May 9, 2016.

  1. saintPort&Ginger

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    I was referring to the cyan trim but yeah, I get your point. It's a lot easier to see players out of the corner of your eye if they're wearing bright colours.
     
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  2. saintPort&Ginger

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    That's just wrong.
     
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  3. InFrancroatiaWeTrust

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    Really? Why would 1 colour make it any easier than another?

    We play every week and people wear a mixture of tops and never had any issues seeing them on a pitch - can’t imagine professional players all playing in same kits will then struggle
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Backgrounds.

    Grey kits have long been pillioried.

    You need to stand out from the crowd and background and in bright light and floodlit conditions.

    There's many a manager who's brought this topic up.

    This is event more pertinent when we are talking about led advert boards flashing up and all sorts going on these days.
     
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  5. saintPort&Ginger

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    Surely it's widely recognised that bright colours stand out more than subdued ones? Cone receptors responsible for colour perception are also better for spacial acuity.
    Nobody's claiming that more neutral colours make you invisible, but they are less easily detected and a split-second decision by a player moving quickly and keeping an eye on the ball would be aided by a bright colour standing out at a glance.
     
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  6. Sauerkraut Inia

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    I totally agree that colours make a difference (it’s a big thing in cricket isn’t it - colour of the ball ?)

    some kits are just easier to make out quicker

    the infamous grey Utd one was patterned weirdly aswell so would have blended into the background like camouflage- there’s another example too lol <laugh>

    quite literally the whole point of camouflage

    I am not saying all kits are like that but I absolutely believe that different colours and combos of colours will
    Make a difference - not to a point where a team is invisible just where it takes a millisecond longer

    didn’t we change our net back from red for some reason like that too ?
     
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  7. Sauerkraut Inia

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    Yeah that’s nearly a ffs ish lmao
     
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  8. saintPort&Ginger

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    I'll forgive you.
     
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  9. Engliababy

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    A study was done in 2015 called “The colour of a football outfit affects visibility and team success.” An extract from the study. -

    We investigated the impact of the colour of football outfits on localising football players and on the results of football matches....... The studies were conducted with 18 human volunteers aged 15-18 years (study 1) and league results from 10 professional European football teams over 17 years (1995-2013) (study 2). We analysed the number of correct assessments of the positions of virtual football players with different outfit colours (study 1) and analysed the relationship between match results and outfits' colours (study 2)..... We conclude that the colour of football outfits affects evaluations of football players' positions on the field, with white tricots resulting in the best location assessment. The outfit colour may indirectly influence football match results, warranting more attention to the home and away shirts by team managers and football scientists.

    It goes on a bit with specific details eg. Man City won more games away when wearing brightly colours kits. It also says that there is “an effect of color selection on peripheral vision” with white being the easiest to pick out. So colour definitely has some impact.

     
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  10. Zanjinho

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    It was part of our very first kit
     
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  11. Zanjinho

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    Our Sunday team played ok camouflage for a couple of years (don't ask) and we never had trouble seeing each other <ok>
     
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    Easier for the opposition too
     
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  13. saintPort&Ginger

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    I know, but we've been red for over a century - I think it's pretty well established now.
     
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  14. saintPort&Ginger

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    **** 'em.
     
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  15. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Yes. The players complained they couldn't see thr goals as well has having a big white net to aim at against a red kop background.

    This is all about the background you are looking at from 20, 30, 40 yards away.

    If you are playing Sunday league it's fairly easy see everyone as there is no busy background.

    put 60k fans around plus led banners then flood lights down on you and suddenly its not quite so clear cut.
     
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    On a slight tangent but slightly related
    I have long thought that at grounds at grassroots where they have multiple goals in the view of the actual goals that it impacts the players performances

    it not long but assessing which is the correct goal to aim must add time to the decision

    I personally really struggle with orange and red kits when I play lol <laugh> but I think that goes back to an earlier comment of getting your eyes tested <laugh>
     
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  17. Turbia Milk

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    With all the bright flashing advertising in the background, I almost wonder if a grey kit would stand out more than a bright kit these days! :)

    Of course, If you can see your own players easier out the corner of your eye, so can the opposition. Overall, I'm sure kit colour makes some difference, but not much (not significant, and not in a predictable manner). United's infamous grey kit I think is just an excuse in scape-goating.

    I doubt there is any reliable scientific studies on this though. I'm sure if a tally was done (in the UK at least) red teams would probably win the most games- but that doesn't really mean much because it's also the home colour of the biggest teams and almost never used as an away colour for other teams. Grey/Brown/Pink would probably be last- because they would only ever be an away kit never a home kit.
     
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    Anecdotally. When I used to do indoor football. First season I signed up we played in blue and were the absolute worst team in the league. For the second season we switched to black and were one of the better teams. Very little change in squad... one or two people left and one or two people joined... we just played better in black. (I'm sure its more to do with the fact we had had a season to gel more than shirt colour- but that's my anecdotal evidence to add to the topic).

    (coincidentally light grey/silver was officially our backup colour... but we never wore it because no other team ever played in black... we were required to bring a grey/silver shirt with us just in case- which was a bit silly.)


    It is theoretically possible though that blue makes you play like crap. Look at Everton. Scotland.
     
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  19. saintPort&Ginger

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    JB cites such a study above.
     
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    So he did, although I still remain skeptical on how measurable it is. Or how scientific that approach is. 18 people isn't a lot... And looking at existing teams doesn't really measure how much the color shirt helped. Is white commercially more profitable for example, did it help create wealth to buy more players. Is it just a coincidence? I mean Germany and Spain dominated by rich wealthy clubs that wear white. Are players psychologically more likely to want to play in white (meaning teams who play in white get first pick of players).
     
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