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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by FellTop, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Nothing to lose mate ...

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  2. TopCat_

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    Apparently all you have to do is identify the man you want then pull out all the stops. It’s that simple etc
     
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  3. Bazza2310

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    Canny milk blisters
     
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  4. samwise_new

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    as far as i am concerned, the club 'had' WS all lined up and ready to sign the contract, we won't know exactly why it took the rest of the season but there are a couple of possible reasons, one being the compensation needed and the other one being his then current contract...the way it panned out we can presume that he was 'not allowed' to talk to other clubs while under contract therefore dodds was put in to see the season out, of course we can be pretty sure there was contact before that but how much etc all comes down to his then contract.

    from the meagre media reports it took him maybe a week to do his u-turn and it was most likely at that point the club realised they may well have lost him so the search began again, hence the current 'WTF is going on' while we wait for news.

    i do not think (and never will) that this has all been done on an efficient and professional manner, by now they should know what a new coach will require and be prepared to move the goalposts IF needed, if the reports are anywhere near the truth they offered a lot more to WS than others, surely it makes sense to offer the same to others.

    people have mentioned AN going to stoke and how fast that happened, but he was on a 'rolling contract' so could talk to any club he wanted to at any time but i would think that taking more than a month since being dropped in it is really stretching the whole process, that said, i am keeping faith in the regime to get it sorted in time to prepare the lads well and in time to sort any player problems.
     
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  5. Chunksafc

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    The Maric rumour seems to be picking up more pace on social media.

    Good news if true
     
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  6. Carl and the Passions

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    It’s all a feedback loop based on here and PF
     
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  7. flandersmackem

    flandersmackem Well-Known Member

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    Again, I am assuming, like me you're not involved in football recruitment. But lets look at recruitment from a border picture. You draw a short list of people you feel can do the job. You then grade them 1st choice, 2nd choice etc etc. If for any reason your first choice decides he doesn't want the job...then you go down your list. What you don't do, is let your first choice dictate the length of time he feels he should fanny about making his mind up...then your 2nd and 3rd pick may well have gone elsewhere.
    If you feel that people on here think this is an easy process I think you're wrong. I also cannot believe you feel the need to defend how the club have made a total bollocks of this process. If the Will Still story is correct ( all guess work) then the club is at fault for letting it drag on. If that wasn't the case, then what possible excuse other than a clear lack of a professional approach can you attribute to this delay.
    Done correct, recruitment is that simple...but as the old saying goes..fail to prepare then prepare to fail,
     
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  8. Millfield Maestro 1879

    Millfield Maestro 1879 Well-Known Member

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    Was just about to say but we been here so many times! Hoping it's true this time as there is something about him I like
     
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  9. Chunksafc

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    He's been the one for me as well, everything I have read about him suggests he will.be a great fit with a huge potential
     
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  10. CR17

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    https://x.com/imiasanmia/status/1803143242340245882?s=46

    The ideas of René Marić are being concretely taken into account in the squad planning. Kompany's future assistant coach was previously the U19 coach at the club and has a close relationship with Christoph Freund
     
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  11. TopCat_

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    Football management is not a meritocracy. Recruiting football managers does not follow the same process as recruiting an office worker, or a bus driver.
     
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  12. Millfield Maestro 1879

    Millfield Maestro 1879 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah just saw that reposted again on twitter but still feel there is something in this rumour....
     
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  13. Millfield Maestro 1879

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    Like any appointment it's a big risk but the upside just feels potentially huge
     
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  14. flandersmackem

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    explain the different process then?.... you appear to have the inside track on this
    And by the way, I have adopted this process for CFO's and General managers in the past...not bus drivers
     
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  15. Chucky Puddin

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    Hope so, backed him at 11/1 and 8/1 at William Hill
     
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  16. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I'm quite happy to politely debate everything you've said but, before I do, can I just ask ...

    ... do you work in an office environment?
     
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  17. flandersmackem

    flandersmackem Well-Known Member

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    Not anymore, I'm retired...but I have managed/run companies in various countries in a variety of industries.
     
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  18. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, I'm just trying to get my head round your thought process with all this.

    So, have you ever chased prospective employees working for other similar companies, have you asked them to move from one end of the country to another or even change countries ...

    ... and has the offer only been for a few years guaranteed?
     
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  19. flandersmackem

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    In the last 11 years in the UAE..many times. The process was as I outlined. The roles I recruited for were high profile positions. The key (imho) is to manage the situation not let the person you want manage you. But to answer your question yes I have
     
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    Not sure what you have against Bus Drivers, but I can assure you they deserve the same respect in the recruitment process as a CFO or a General Manager.

    If you have recruited for such lofty positions as you appear to be boasting of (not sure why) then you'll understand that most jobs are advertised, have applicants who are then shortlisted and interviewed. Recruiters score the applicants and make an offer at which point salary and T&Cs are discussed. Often recruiters will have to go to a 3rd or 4th choice applicant.

    Football is a whole different ball game at the elite level. Jobs are never advertised, nor do they have a list of acceptable qualifications/experience (outside the usual coaching licenses).
    Usually clubs will draw up a list of candidates from the usual set of coaches on the circuit OR they'll go off piste and look at foreign markets based on recommendations or referrals.

    Is that succinct enough for you?
     
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