1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

New Head Coach

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by FellTop, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. Mr_B

    Mr_B Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2019
    Messages:
    251
    Likes Received:
    798
    If he’s the man they believe can take the club forward, then it’s a bargain for under £1m. We could easily waste that on a gamble of a young player who may or not make it, whereas a half decent manager could easily transform the whole squad into promotion challengers.
     
    #24641
  2. CR17

    CR17 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2023
    Messages:
    906
    Likes Received:
    1,653
    Upthere on RTG “there will be some big news tomorrow” on the KLD statement thread
     
    #24642
  3. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    55,797
    Likes Received:
    119,535
    He's usually worth listening to ...

    ... I wonder if it's to say the club isn't actually for sale, it isn't.
     
    #24643
    Young Ted and PickleRick like this.
  4. Mackem-Tiz

    Mackem-Tiz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    3,190
    Likes Received:
    3,438
    Honestly...if we manage to get Cifuentes for under 1m then that's a huge bargain.
    Ha'way man Sundland!
     
    #24644
    Young Ted, Dorset, sheepman and 2 others like this.
  5. Stranded in Lugano

    Stranded in Lugano Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2020
    Messages:
    137
    Likes Received:
    418
    I’m frustrated at how long it’s taken and the club deserve criticism for that but I don’t buy the model is to blame and we’re scraping the barrell.

    We could still come out with a good choice or worst case a steady if uninspiring choice. We don’t know who’s currently in the frame but we can confidently say Still and Jansen have been targets , both of which are ambitious appointments. Our ability to get them over the line is the issue but in both cases they have gone to big clubs in others leagues.

    I think Cifuentes would be a good option and, although he wouldn’t be my choice, Heckingbottom would be a safe and steady choice. Arguably similar to Mowbray and an upgrade on Beale. Lampard is the one name linked and not denied that worries me the most. He was poor at Derby and scraped in the playoffs with a top 2 squad.

    I want someone who follows a similar style of football to Mowbay and who is suited to the squad we have, hence why Heck wouldn’t be my choice. I think Cifuentes could be that guy. I’d also consider Jokanovich (ex Watford, Fulham & Sheff Utd). 2 promotions from the Championship with two different clubs, great football, multi-lingual and develops players.
     
    #24645
  6. safcrd16

    safcrd16 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2023
    Messages:
    103
    Likes Received:
    126
    Cifuentes would be great, the same as Rohl maybe even better, however I don’t see why he would come
     
    #24646
    Young Ted and Mackem-Tiz like this.
  7. Dave_39

    Dave_39 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2019
    Messages:
    4,356
    Likes Received:
    7,648
    hopefully a new head coach or Speakman leaving
     
    #24647
    Hudson92 likes this.
  8. FellTop

    FellTop Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2020
    Messages:
    7,906
    Likes Received:
    27,860
    Tomorrow the tfr window opens. And the Euros start.

    Are those who keep saying there is no rush and we can wait are still of that opinion? We are already far too late.

    Beginning to feel like we have Nero in charge.

    I am sure people at the club are working hard. But at this stage I find it impossible to imagine how they are working effectively. They have either identified candidates that are above their ability to attract, or not been prepared to give credible coaches what they need to do the job they want to be able to do.

    I have no doubt the club want the premier league. They seem completely unaware of what is needed to get there at this stage however. Or those telling them what is needed are cast aside as idiots. This started last summer. The tfrs made, to build on a side close to promotion, were awful. Mowbray knew it, and paid with his job. The players were simply not up to the job. They may well have needed to sack him, if he was grumbling too much, but they failed in their responsibilities to replace him, and decided to have a snooze after sacking Beale. Where we find ourselves now is frankly unfathomable. It smacks of a complete lack of experience and know how in the club.

    They can keep going about this process and eventually somebody will say yes. Maybe they get lucky and he turns out to be perfect. There are bright coaches in this country who would come here. Somebody earlier mentioned Evatt who would be a good fit. Or they change what and how they are doing things to get someone they actually want, assuming that ship hasnt sailed. Bite the bullet, and get Rosenior.

    As it stands we are being put on the back foot for the coming season. And it may well be a period we look back on as a what might have been. If, as I think, this is a pivotal time for KLD plan, we appear to be on the wrong end of it so far.
     
    #24648
  9. PickleRick

    PickleRick Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2020
    Messages:
    168
    Likes Received:
    397
    Marti's party!!

    Cif to come in and clean the club up!
     
    #24649
  10. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    55,797
    Likes Received:
    119,535
    We're spectators mate ... waiting is all we can do.

    Seriously, how many times can all these Mowbray, Pritchard, Alex Neil stories be repeated ...

    ... it's more Groundhog Day than the managerial Groundhog Day <laugh>

    ...
     
    #24650
    Young Ted and HoratioCarter like this.

  11. safcrd16

    safcrd16 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2023
    Messages:
    103
    Likes Received:
    126
    He eats paella he drinks estrella he hates ****ing magpies
     
    #24651
  12. Carl and the Passions

    Carl and the Passions Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2020
    Messages:
    307
    Likes Received:
    438
    The announcement will be that we’ll have a look again after the Euros. Busy time and they don’t think they’ll get much done during the group stage at least.
     
    #24652
  13. alcoauth

    alcoauth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2014
    Messages:
    1,590
    Likes Received:
    2,146
    Cifuentes, £1m compensation. 3 year contract.

    £333,333 per year deplete-able value.

    Approx 33,000 seasons ticket holders.

    Let's say he gets sacked a year in, to the loss of £665,000, if we have 33,000 season ticket holders that's an additional charge of £20 each on your bank details.
     
    #24653
  14. Mackem-Tiz

    Mackem-Tiz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    3,190
    Likes Received:
    3,438
    I rate Rohl as much as I do Cifuentes.
    That's a massive compliment to Cifuentes!
     
    #24654
    Young Ted likes this.
  15. Whittylad

    Whittylad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2019
    Messages:
    1,636
    Likes Received:
    4,250
    Don't know anything about him . Can you enlighten please. Have you come across him in your role.
     
    #24655
  16. Carl and the Passions

    Carl and the Passions Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2020
    Messages:
    307
    Likes Received:
    438
    That’s definitely how it works in terms of season ticket pricing :emoticon-0112-wonde
     
    #24656
  17. FellTop

    FellTop Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2020
    Messages:
    7,906
    Likes Received:
    27,860
    Of course. But we can also believe not having a coach by a certain point is poor fr senior management.

    Whoever it is has already missed out on key things like end of season reviews, retained list, early sight of free tfrs, video analysis time, player 1 to 1s, assessment of player fitness levels from last season, detailed reviews with existing coaches, working with Murty on who might join pre season. All of which leads into help plan pre season and help plan targets for incomings. They are failing to help their coaches deliver in my opinion. I know this is a grim picture, but in my opinion it is entirely fair to call out, and reasonable. Whoever gets the gig I am behind 100%, and I give them a lot more time due to how much catch up they will have to do.
     
    #24657
    John 11:35, COYCS, Dorset and 4 others like this.
  18. CR17

    CR17 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2023
    Messages:
    906
    Likes Received:
    1,653
    Have people heard something about Marti or is just hoping?
     
    #24658
    John Wick likes this.
  19. The Norton Cat

    The Norton Cat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2015
    Messages:
    7,738
    Likes Received:
    14,606
    Got Barrow into the Football League playing very pretty football. I think people (jokingly) said it was like watching Barcelona. Got Bolton up from League 2 playing a similar way. Loves to attack.
    I think he might have shares in Bolton though so I don't know if that would be a problem. Only 42 ish

    I've vaguely followed his career because his first spell at Chesterfield coincided with a time when I used to go and watch them from time to time.

    Here's an interview with him https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/ian-evatt-bolton-barrow-blackpool-derby-qpr/
     
    #24659
  20. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    55,797
    Likes Received:
    119,535
    Of course we can believe it but it's pretty much conjecture tbh.

    Saying things like 'Or those telling them what is needed are cast aside as idiots' is a bit strong imo.

    No offence but you're not actually telling the club what's needed and you don't have all the facts.

    I haven't seen anyone call you an idiot either, you have an opinion just like the rest of us ... fair enough.
     
    #24660

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 4, Guests: 0)

  1. Pirate
  2. SAFC CLUD
  3. Juanito Caminante

Share This Page