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New Head Coach

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by FellTop, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. Wardley Makem

    Wardley Makem Well-Known Member

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    I reckon we've got 1 or 2 who we'd take and are willing to come, but we're giving still a couple of days. That French TV deal crack will cause massive problems for all the teams over there. Mbappe leaving certainly won't help
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I was talking more about the Wembley trophy, the Wembley play-off victory, the promotion, the Championship play-offs and some of the most exciting football I've seen in over fifty years ...

    ... hopefully more to come I'm sure you'll agree.
     
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  3. Mackem 10.1

    Mackem 10.1 Well-Known Member

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    Keep hearing this we need to be more ambitious, why are Still or Jansen more ambitious Rosenior? Any manager is a gamble
     
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  4. Prehab26

    Prehab26 Well-Known Member

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    They have both managed at a higher level.
     
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  5. SAFC Wilks

    SAFC Wilks Well-Known Member

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    Bringing in Jansen is a very good coup imo, big relief after the previous links to others like that St Mirren manager - even though nothing came of it.

    Rosenior is a solid back up should Jansen have a Will Still U turn.
     
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  6. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    No offence to Rosenior but he's more likely to become the next Chris Wilder than a top manager ...

    ... I'd like someone using us as a stepping stone rather than a meal ticket.
     
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  7. CR17

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    See I think just missing playoffs in his first season shows he has plenty of potential to improve imo after looking into him a lot I’d be happy to see him here but I’d be just as happy with Jansen too
     
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  8. COYCS

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    Sorry, and not taking sides, but unless you have any insight into what's happening within the club, l suspect that Smug is right, we as supporter have no idea what has taken place behind the scenes of SAFC.
    I'm grateful to those who supply and share info, they shouldn't take any **** that some posters say.
    Lastly, l supported this club for a long long time, l not learnt much in that time, other than patients is rewarded.
     
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  9. Wackyjacky

    Wackyjacky Well-Known Member

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    I may have seen one of them, and if it's to who you know I'm thinking about, then I can verify you do state a certain person was here for a second interview this week.
     
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  10. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    My preference for Jansen is based on his style and experience but there's something less rational ...

    ... I'm just tired of the stream of Brit managers trotting out the same 'manager speak'.

    If they're so predictable perhaps they're the same in training, with the players and in their attitudes.

    There's so little, on the surface, to choose between the likes Bruce/Mowbray/Rosenior it makes me hopefull for something different.

    Daft I know, I'd just find it more exciting and positive ... hopefully the players would feel the same, every little helps.
     
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  11. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I just feel that forums sometimes create a 'reality' all of their own mate.

    If someone can honestly state they're annoyed with fellow supporters, because they're hoping for the best ...

    ... I think they've totally lost what it means to be a football supporter.

    For every club hope is pretty much all you have, unless you're Man City ...

    ... take that away and you'll become bitter and automatically contradict anyone being positive.

    P.S. we'll never become as good as Man City are now, so perhaps we should just all give up.
     
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  12. Nig

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    Some of them are mags.
     
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  13. OldNewtown

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    Nurse, nurse he's escaped again
    Or
    What prize did the patient win

    Sorry, I couldn't resist :emoticon-0140-rofl:
    I don't have much patience when someone presents me with an open goal. :emoticon-0117-talki
     
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  14. Blond Bombshell

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    Nailed it. Thanks marra
     
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  15. Brainy Dose

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    Yep, it’s how I feel too. We’ve tried the Moyes, Ross, Johnson, Neil, Mowbray, Beale, Dodds options and I feel a change would be a good fit. We’ve signed lots of young, foreign players… why not a similar coaching team.
     
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  16. Millfield Maestro 1879

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    Smug I think you have nailed how alot of people feel and maybe don't even realise it. We generally know what we are getting looking around this country but there is something exciting about looking at someone different from abroad. It could fail miserably like any other but at the same time it feels the ceiling could be anything. With the likes of Rosenior, the ceiling just doesn't seem too high
     
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  17. AzAlkmaar

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    I find those first 2 questions hard to answer. As it has ofcourse everything do to with quality. Kerkez came in, and shown his talent from day 1, such guys would excel under any circumstances. Under his period we have had some amazing players. (Karlsson, Kerkez, Reijnders, Pavlidis, Sugawara). And you have to give Jansen credit for the development guys like them have made. One thing i would say is that we have been "carried" a lot by individual quality during his time, apart from a few great team perfomances like the Lazio games. Its often that we struggled to break a (lowtable) team down and that a Karlsson or Pavlidis had to do some magic to end with a narrow win. Jansen wasnt really able to let the team rise as a collective above the individual qualitys of some star players, which is Arne Slots big strength. Like i said earlier i think, Jansen rarely rotated between his starting XI. So it was always hard for players on the bench to play themself in the team. Also when certain players really didnt perform for a significant period. Often a random thing like injury/transfers/suspensions was needed for a player to get a chance. Reijnders was nearly off to Twente. And a guy like Gudmunddson (now shining in serie A) demanded a transfer out of frustrating on playtime. Can't really blame him for not bringing through academy guys, as there werent that many talents ready to make that step. If a young player is ready. He is willing to give him that chance, and not take him out after a few bad performances (refering back to the value Jansen gives to personal relations)

    Yeah the tempo often was slow and ponderous. His stubborn choice to always play a working number 10 (who litteraly cant dribble, assist or do longshots) made us often quite predictable and unable to do quick counters or have linkup play through the middle. It would often result in passing the ball around in a questionable tempo. For then to trust on Karlsson or Pavlidis to do their magic. But at the same time it also makes you less vulnerable to concede counters and be run over. And have a solid foundation with players who are in 'sync' with eachother. Which is especially important for the overlapping fullbacks, which are basically the DNA of AZ. But thats where i sometimes missed a more dynamic coach. Who could read to game and adjust his gameplan. Maybe he didnt always have te players to make those changes.

    I do think his tactics and ideas are partly based on English football (as thats his origin ofcourse). I think it fits better to a bit more physical football. The longballs and crosses we saw at AZ didnt always fit our team (lacking height and body). We are more a dominant possesion based team. But i cant say a lot about Sunderland.

    AZ has a good internal structure. We like to train staff internally to make them used to our club philosophy.
    And you have to conform yourself to that. No i wouldnt say any backroom staff has had a big influence. Overall at AZ you are more dependent on the transferwindows. One season you have a star team and beat Lazio, the season after you lose a ton of your best players. That is difficult for any coach. I dont see any obvious assistents Jansen would bring on the top of my mind.
     
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  18. Dunder Mifflin

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    Jansen’s odds have shortened again to 11/10

    LR still at 3/1, one to keep an eye on
     
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  19. Blond Bombshell

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    I would prefer us to pick someone who’s British, unfortunately for me, I'm sure I've read that KLD is looking for someone who is bilingual due to the different nationalities of our squad?
     
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  20. Culinary

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    That's brilliant, thank you very much for taking the time to provide such thorough answers.

    How is Martens doing? Are you optimistic for next season?
     
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