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2024 Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe

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  1. Ron

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    Runners declared and odds available

    Economics appears to be an uneasy fav at 11/1, although doesn't seem to have an entry

    The field doesn't look too inspiring at present but that could change after the Derby/Oaks/KG

    5 unbeaten horses in the field, all 3yos

    Look De Vega, 3yo colt by Lope de Vega out of a High Chaparrel mare, 34/1 for the Arc

    Delius, 3yo colt by Frankel out of a Daylami mare, 40/1 for the Arc

    Los Angeles, 3yo colt by Camelot out of a Dansili mare, currently 7/1 for the Epsom Derby and 26/1 for the Arc

    Forest Fairy, 3yo filly by Waldgeist out of a Lope de Vega mare. Currently 10/1 for the Epsom Oaks, 50/1 for the Arc

    Sea Just In Time, 3yo filly by Sea the Stars out of a Street Cry mare, entered in the Irish Oaks and currently 26/1 for the Arc

    The Arc odds are all over the place and some of the above are quoted at very different prices

    All the older horses are fairly well exposed, some having run in the Arc before. Will be interesting to see how they have matured

    At this stage nothing leaps out. Maybe something will next week

    Sea Just In Time looks interesting but, with just the one run under her belt , those odds look very miserly
     
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    A couple of early thoughts:

    Passenger 33/1 could be a typical Stoute 4YO improver
    Sea Just In Time 33/1 could be anything
     
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    Added links for convenience
     
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    Three Arc entries running in the Prix D'Ispahan at Longchamp today - Mqse De Sevigne, Blue Rose Cen and Haya Zark. I quite like Blue Rose Cen.
     
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    White Birch looks a massive player now Ron <ok>

    Into around 20/1 which still looks a nice price IMHO.
     
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    The only problem is Oddy, He has never won beyond 1m2½f. He has had 3 attempts at 12f. beaten a total of 23¾L by Auguste Rodin in two of those. However that was last year so he could have developed into a very good 4yo and maybe OK over 12f now. Hopefully he will have a 12f run before the Arc. Today's run was impressive not only by the way he won but also backed up by the clock <cheers>
     
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    Sorry to be a pedant. He
     
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    Those 3 previous attempts at 12F were all on good-firm going. He needs cut and will surely get it in Paris in October <ok>
     
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    What a girly name for a he <laugh>
     
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    This could throw a bit of light on the Arc. Seems a bit soon after today's exertions

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    Timeform extract
    White Birch (128 from 120) had come up short on both attempts at the highest level last season, finishing third behind Auguste Rodin in the Derby and only eighth behind the same rival in the Irish Derby, but he's a much-improved performer this time around and he produced a high-class effort to make the Group 1 breakthrough in the Tattersalls Gold Cup. White Birch was arriving on the back of wins in the Alleged Stakes and Mooresbridge Stakes and he raised his game another notch on Sunday, tanking his way into contention before quickly putting daylight between himself and Auguste Rodin (127 from 129), passing the post with a three-length advantage.

    That effort, which was backed up by a good time, earned White Birch a Timeform rating of 128 and no Flat horse in training in Europe has a higher figure (Kyprios is also rated 128). It's worth pointing out that White Birch's progress this spring has come with cut in the ground but on the form he showed on Sunday he'll be a big player wherever he turns up next.
     
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    I don't think that Coronation Cup told us much as regards the Arc. Luxembourg ran a great race but it was a master class ride by Moore and I doubt he will be allowed that luxury in the Arc
     
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    After The Oaks, the first place I went to look was the Oddschecker Arc betting.

    Horse: Ezeliya
    Owner: The Aga Khan
    Trainer: Dermot Weld
    Odds: 14/1

    Something in my head about three year old fillies...

    Should we be snapping that up before The Derby? If none of the colts turn out to be a wonder horse then 14/1 might be a bit thin on the ground by Saturday evening.

    I would not have Economics at 12/1 for the Arc as I do not think he will show up. I can see him sticking to ten furlongs as they declined the opportunity to supplement him for The Derby.

    I would not want Luxembourg either as he was allowed to steal the Coronation Cup but somebody else will be on him on Arc Sunday unless all of Ballydoyle’s turn out to be ordinary and Moore ends up on him by default.
     
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    Looks like the Arc is sorted then

    Top price 5/1 some going 3/1. If he wins the Irish Derby and/or the KG, he'll be odds on
     
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    Have you done the time comparison with the Oaks Ron? <whistle>
     
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    Ob-viously <laugh>

    But the ground was a bit faster today I suspect

    It was the way he won and how much running was still left after the line. With his action I reckon he'll go on any ground (maybe not very very soft) and any track
     
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    upload_2024-6-1_20-44-43.png

    Those brave enough to back COT at 7/1 must be laughing now
     
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    Actually, looks like 7s still available with WH. Surely not
     
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    Nice to have a loose lead horse in the final furlong... The jury is still out with me. Certainly not O’Brien’s best ever and I am happy with the odds I took on the Oaks winner that will be lightly campaigned and show up on the day.
     
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    Which do you reckon was his best ever QM (or anyone)?
     
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