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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Manchester City

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  1. Citizen Kane.

    Citizen Kane. Well-Known Member

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    Totally agree.

    And I think that's what's bothering him.

    He's feeling the pressure of an almost total collapse in the final quarter of the season. We've picked up 13 points from a possible 33. Hopefully that will increase to 16 from 36 on Sunday, but that is a horrible run of bad form.

    A signature win today would have eased the pressure on him upstairs and in the media. But it wouldn't have been well received by the fans. So he was damned if he did, damned if he didn't.

    I think that is causing the frustration together with the fact that he knows deep down we could have had CL football done and dusted ages ago but screwed it up with a series of miserable performances.
     
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  2. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    If Postecoglou was so desperate to win this game, then maybe he should've put a striker on at some point.
    I thought the initial lineup was weird, but it worked pretty well.
    Kulusevski was a strange sub that didn't work and the rest were far too late.
    We didn't even use them all. Why not give Scarlett a chance at the death?

    Chris Kavanagh is a cowardly prick. What did Ederson have to do to get a booking?
    They got an early goal in the 2nd half and then there was no football for ages.
    Pointlessly booking that bald ****er doesn't do anything.
     
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  3. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

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    Big Angela needs to be quiet and get his head down

    he knows **** all about this rivalry

    Stick to figuring out why we lost 4 games in a row matey

    that’s what you get paid for

    he’s got on my tits lately
     
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  4. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Am I missing something with that penalty? It's a complete dive.
    Naive of Porro to give Count Dooku the chance to fling himself to the ground, but still a dive.
    There's literally 0 chance that we'd get that at the other end.

    That Ortega save from Kulusevski is very, very lucky.
    Just hits him in the nuts. Shame...
     
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  5. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Ange is feeling the pressure. Take the first ten league games away and he would be probably be sacked in the summer as Spurs have not looked right since November.
     
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  6. vimhawk

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    He also got a "foul" just after Son's terrible miss. He kind of launched himself off one foot over the defender (may have been Porro again) in a different direction and I suspect there wasn't contact. All the "energy" in the contact came from him, not the collision. But they didn't show it again as they were replaying the Son thing.
     
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  7. Spurlock

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    we will end up back at square 1 sooner or later as per usual because he doesn’t adapt and will he get the players he wants?

    I’m not holding my breath

    who’s turn is it to make the ‘next manager’ thread next season?

    will ask our mods if they have a list when I get chance tbh
     
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  8. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    The playing staff lost faith their in him because of the way you lost v Chelsea. It was great to watch as a football fan, but it was ****ing naive.
     
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  9. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    One thing that impressed and yet equally annoyed me tonight was that Ange actually showed tactical flexibility for the first time. 37th league game and in a once in a life time moral dilemma for Spurs fans of wanting to lose but he showed he’s perhaps not a one trick pony after all.

    Our midfielders added a level of graft to their game and they also moved the ball about a lot better than in recent months. We also didn’t leave one CB horrendously exposed to any counters. Van de Ven also played LB how a LCB would be expected too, he didn’t need to try and emulate Udogie to have a good game, he was played to his strengths and done a solid job which is all we can ask. Made better/ worse now knowing he could’ve played there more and therefore given Dragusin more game time instead of wasting it on Skipp and Emerson as makeshift LBs. Only the striker “decision” was wrong (right for tonight ;) ) but other than that I thought that was a much, much better performance with some well thought out tactical changes/ alterations. Ultimately we lost not because of the fans as he’s trying to partially imply but because the reigning treble winners finished one of their key chances and then capitalised on a rare Porro mistake to score a penalty. If we played like that in a lot of other games this season a number of our losses would’ve likely been turned to draws or even wins.

    I really hope this wasn’t a one off and more a sign of that in certain situations Ange can indeed adapt.
     
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  10. Citizen Kane.

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    He's aware he knows **** all about the rivalry. Says he doesn't care about it.

    His point is that the club knows **** all about success.

    Prezzer had some strong Last Days of Conte vibes to it.

    We've heard managers say this stuff over and over again, starting with Poch before the CL final.

    We're perhaps hearing it differently in the extremely specific context of Arsenal's title challenge, but the message from all of our managers has been unanimous for five years.

    We know **** all about success, and that needs to change.
     
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  11. KingHotspur

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    I lost faith in him after that game too. It was beyond naive to play that way and started a rot that they’ve not recovered from imo.

    His post match press conference further confirms what I’ve thought all along and that is he’s arrogant and full of ****.
     
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  12. RRich

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    Ange let himself down with the post match comments.

    job was done. Say it was a tight game move on.

    no need to add to the false narrative. For our resources we’ve placed average 5th since 2011…seems about right.

    A £1bn stadium doesn’t seem very fragile either
     
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  13. Roo

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    Last night was a rock and a hard place scenario. But as others have said, we found ourselves in that situation because of our poor results during the run in. Beating Arsenal, or at least making them drop points could have meant that their season would already been over.

    I can’t stand Man City. They epitomise everything that’s wrong with modern football.
    And Arsenal are our rivals, hated for different reasons. Being in a position where you have to choose a preferred option from these two choices is ****, quite frankly.

    As a spurs fan, Arsenal not winning the league edges it for me, not because it’s about rubbing their faces in it necessarily (Although I’ll quite happily take part). It’s actually about where that leaves us a a club, and as a fan base that has to deal with the aftermath.

    I’ve said it before, but for as long as the likes of City win it (and keep on winning it), money wins. Which is ****. But it’s a valid excuse that we can hide behind, as can nearly every other club. When Leicester won it, there was instantly a feeling of “well anyone can do it”, which meant jokes were pointed our way, as the team who came so close. Luckily, it was a 1 off, and then subsequently getting relegated has helped to cement perception that it was a bit of a “freak season”, only helping keep the heat off of clubs like us who have come so close.

    If it were to happen again with another unlikely club, we begin to run out of excuses for our failure. If ARSENAL win it, it adds a whole new dimension. - A club who built a new stadium a few years before us, who are run in a similar way, who (putting trophies aside) have been in a very similar situation to us in recent years. Who are our biggest rivals. It’s the worse possible scenario. We’d never hear the end of it.

    Then there’s how that filters down into the personal lives of the fans like us, and our social lives/work environments. The next year would be horrific for me. It wouldn’t even be the generic jibes, jokes, memes etc directed at Tottenham, it’d be the shear entitlement and arrogant cringey comments I’d have to listen to constantly about “how ****ing great Arsenal are”. Just no. Hell ****ing NO!

    We might not want City winning because of what they represent, but at the same time, I simply cannot get on board with sacrificing ourselves for the greater good in football. Especially when it’s Arsenal. We’d be absolute mugs and get no thanks for it.
     
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  14. SarrMan

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    Where was his anger when those same fans gave their all despite being 3-0 down to Fulham and Newcastle after an hour, 3-0 down to Arsenal at half-time, 4-0 down to Liverpool after an hour or not turning up at all against Chelsea.

    If we’d have shown the same application in those games as we did last night we may have already put Arsenal out the title race and had a top 4 place cemented.
     
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  15. remembercolinlee

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    Moronic post match interview. We've stuck by the team all season through thick and thin.
    Maybe we should have showed our "winning mentality" by booing and getting on the players backs everything we lost.
    Maybe, instead of the applause we gave the players for their efforts against Chelsea we should have booed them.
     
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  16. Toonitus

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    He can see progression! You were 5 down after 18 minutes the previous season.

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  17. BinghamSpur

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    It certainly was a very strange interview. I totally get it in a lot of ways but surely you read the room and pick your moment when you point it out?

    Odd game, Thought we played really well in all honesty, and on another day would have been 2 up before the goal hanger tapped his first in!

    Need to finish the season off well with a thumping of Sheffield on Sunday though..
     
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  18. Citizen Kane.

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    We played very well and re Haaland I totally agree. Media lavishing praise on him for a tap in and a penalty, just don't understand the hype. If he wasn't huge and fast, he'd be around the level of Steffen Iversen.
     
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  19. Citizen Kane.

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    Great post that actually addresses my points from a different perspective.

    You see Arsenal winning it as a damning indictment of our own progress. I see where you're coming from.

    I see it in the exact opposite light.

    Arsenal are the closest team in the PL to us financially. Their stadium build set them back a decade or more and they only started to recover in recent years. Ours was built much more sensibly financially so only set us back during its construction and a few years after that. We're already breaking our transfer record on an annual basis (albeit on crud) and the wage bill is increasing similarly. We are clearly not hamstrung by the stadium as it has hit the ground running as a commercial and entertainment triumph.

    I look at City winning the league and I don't see an excuse to hide behind. I don't want an excuse to hide behind. I see a sense of desperation, almost sadness as I resign myself to the sad possibility that to win the big stuff, you basically need to cheat. And I don't want Spurs to become that. I'd stop supporting us if we did and just focus on my local grassroots team instead.

    I see Arsenal winning the league having stuck patiently with a manager through thick and thin, supporting him in the market and giving him time to develop a project, and I think: we could do that too.

    As much as it hurts that it has to be them, the similarities between the clubs from financial to new stadia to backing relatively unproven managers is what gives me that sense of hope. If they can do it, so can we.
     
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    Terrible the way these two lads were treated.


     
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