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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by poolie_mackem, Nov 26, 2011.

  1. poolie_mackem

    poolie_mackem Well-Known Member

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    Aint watched enough of Newcastle and I bet there fans will be on here to correct me if I say anything wrong but they set themselves out exactly how we should.

    Looking at the sides and this is certainly not a who's better article just tactics.

    We both have canny keapers and a pretty solid defence, newcastle have 2 full backs in Simpson and Taylor who can get forward weras we have just Richardson (when he plays there, dont know why he has been moved the last two weeks he was getting better game on game) as for our right back slot I aint really a fan of O'Shea or Bardsley for that matter I like to see full backs bomb forward and I would of rather of seen us spend the 4m towards Alan Hutton. As for centre backs we both have a solid one we have Brown and they have Colocinni its just we have no pace there since the loss of Ferdinand, we must have one of the slowest teams in this league and look at last season all that pace in the side.

    The decisive factor is in the middle of the park, I would imagine now Ben Arfa is back for them they will go with the 2 holding midfielders with the 3 infront, this is were they are streets ahead of us IMO, Tiote and Cabaye vs Colback and Cattermole. For me I dont like to say it but they have got the balance perfect. Tiote is a quality ball winner then they have next to him the creative spark of Cabaye, both players who cost peanuts as well. We dont have this at all, all our cm's are slow and imo pretty average. As for the 3 advanced midfielder again they are still ahead of us. We have Sessegnon who IMO is class but we dont have the players or a manager with tactical know how how to bring the best out of the lad. As for them again they have got it right. They have two wide players with pace who can get the ball and get forward on the counter pretty quickly and the tricky Ben Arfa through the middle.

    Upfront they have Ba who seems to be getting the goals for them as for us our best loan striker has ****** off to Al Ain so that has not helped.

    Obviously both teams play 4/4/2 and again there strikers may not be outstanding but they all bring something different to the side but with there midfield they are always dangerous as for ours our midfield and our managers tactics aint good enough to create anything for them.


    So what do we need?

    First of all a new manager but then what?

    IMO

    * an attacking right back
    * a pacey centre half after the departure of Ferdinand
    * a creative central deep lying midfield who can pull the strings - for me Kranjcar could play this role class like Cabaye for Newcastle.
    * a no nonsense defensive midfielder but one who is intelligent and good on the ball (that rules Catts out)
    * an out and out winger with electric pace, who can play both sides and get a few goals.
    * Gyan back and focused and hungry to play for us like he was last season.


    players who we could get to fill these spots IMO over the next two transfer windows...

    RB - ???
    CB - ???
    CM - McDonald Mariga
    CM - Niko Kranjcar
    W - Charles N'Zogbia
    CF - Asamoah Gyan??
     
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  2. I was expecting the word lucky to be thrown out a few times, but fair play
     
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  3. Sidthemackem

    Sidthemackem Newcastle United 0-1 Cambridge United
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    You make your own luck, but your lot are playing as a team and ours ain't. Reason? Can only be Pardew is managing and Bruce isn't.
     
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  4. Rafa's Championship Party

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    Our manager looks a lot more well. Apart from this I have to agree with the comments from both Sunderland supporters on here.
     
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  5. Bumblebore

    Bumblebore Well-Known Member

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    Week in week out our players dont know if theyre ****ing playing or where theyre ****ing playing. It matters not what kind of form theyre in or whether theyre fit or not. Bruce picks the team like my granny picks the numbers on bingo night BLINDLY.
    In general footballers arent blessed with a decent level of intelligence and Bruce kinda proves my point.
     
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  6. The Mackem of Oz

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    The difference is the manager.

    We all laughed when Pardew was made the mags manager...but look who is laughing at us now.

    Pardew is brilliant tactically, and his press conferences arn't cringe worthy. He talks about the players playing for the fans, wanting 52,000 fans supporting the team and roaring. Our manager comes out and slates us, calling us over ambitious and that our expectations are too high.

    Also i heard ages ago that Pardew analyses every little detail of a match and his next opposition. I fear Mr Bruce does not do this.

    I want a manager that Newcastle's (and I hate saying that).
     
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  7. Hugh Briss

    Hugh Briss Well-Known Member

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    5under1and... <laugh>
     
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  8. 5 Goals 1 Hat Trick 11 Heroes-NUFC4LIFE

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    You left out on of the most important things and it's something you can't buy :

    Team spirit and unity with every player running their socks off and working for each other.
     
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  9. The Mackem of Oz

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    Yeah that is true. We lack spirit. Your players play for each other and the fans...our team as f**king sh**e
     
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  10. calmcumbrian

    calmcumbrian Well-Known Member

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    The simple thing is that Newcastle players are playing for each other and the manager,they have team spirit.We have players who don't seem to give a monkey's!!Why??Our manager couldn't run a domino team...he'd lose all the spots.
     
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  11. FTM Dave

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    We all took the piss out of the Mags signing a Crystal Palace (I think?) reserve striker on loan.

    But there's a lot to be said about having the proper players in the proper positions, even if the players aren't the best.

    There is one, one glaring weakness with our team. We've got no ****ing strikers. That, Steve, is why the chances aren't being taken.

    Well, yes, we have one, Bendtner, even if he's on loan. Bruce sees Connor and Ji as ones for the future. Campbell, sadly, may never get back to PL fitness standard. How the **** can a PL team go on like this?

    Don't get me wrong, I wasn't expecting us to sign another B&#8364;nt. Just some experienced, mediocre PL strikers, so we can actually have someone up front. Which is exactly what the Mags have done.
     
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  12. FTM Dave

    FTM Dave Well-Known Member

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    Another brilliant football analysis.

    I might have known you'd surface.

    Do you actually know anything about football? Note the other Mags actually make comments about why you're doing well and try to analyse the reasons.

    Stick to banning the bairns, you boring self-obsessed ****er.
     
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  13. Hugh Briss

    Hugh Briss Well-Known Member

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    Don't damage your teeth biting that hard! <rofl>
     
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  14. Bumblebore

    Bumblebore Well-Known Member

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    Hey Joker why did you remove your clever comment you left on my earlier thread??
    Did you realise you were stating the ****ing obvious? Felt foolish and quickly got rid incase people thought you were a half wit?
    Hmmmm too late my intellectually challenged friend we all know what you are.
    Oh to answer your clever and humorous question, I was watching it in the pub, as i work most weekends in Darlington and normally dont finish till 2.30.
    Im sure work is a swear word to you and your ilk. So after a long night pissing away your dole cheque/pocket money you thought you'd come on here and represent the geordie nation with your razor wit and keen inetellect?
    Shame you fell on your arse then isnt it you sad little man.
     
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  15. biggeordiedave

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    I think inspiration is a huge problem too. How on Earth could fans or players alike be inspired by a man like Steve Bruce?

    This website says everything. http://stevebruceblames.tumblr.com/
     
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  16. Bolton4Europe

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    <laugh>
     
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  17. manageordieal

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    Fair play here , it seems a fair analysis of what some people just dont seem able to see. To me the bloke has never had a good track record. Originally he could spot bargains , now he can barely manage consistency- apart from his excuses. All this rot about winnig this game and being 10th after a 1/4 of the season--tripe at very best. He is just trying to mask the blatantly obvious failings his team show week in week out.
     
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  18. marcusblackcat

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    This.. totally
     
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  19. talcnturnip

    talcnturnip Well-Known Member

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    Simple really although very hard for me to say they are a better team than us and have a much better manager than us, nowt to do with luck or decisions going their way or any other excuse they are just better.
     
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  20. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    There isn't a great deal between the 2 squads in reality but its all about how they are managed.

    Pardew is all about positives, drive and how he will win games. He keeps a balanced and consistent team and allows players to relax and play their game. He has organised them inside 11 months and never mentioned the gel word once. He offers no excuses.

    Bruce is all about not losing games and putting out negative teams and negative messages. He offers excuses when what is needed are answers and he blames everyone but the one person who is actually responsible. Himself. After 2.5 years in charge, he doesn't know his best team, formation or have a tactical plan to be successful.

    The huge gulf between us and the mags is down to how the 2 clubs are managed. Both have little money. Both have had their best players sold and both had this summer to replace them.

    Pardew did. Bruce didn't. We are in a fight for our EPL place. They are going for top 6 or 7. It's not hard to grasp really is it?
     
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