I always felt the timing of the announcement was bad, though it didn't seem to affect us too much at first. I assume that the club felt a leak was imminent and wanted to pre-empt that which is fair enough. I don't mind players having a tantrum when they're subbed, say - but I don't like to see them give it back to the manager like that. Know who's in charge.
We've been **** since the Utd game. That was the start for me. So many chances and didn't put them away.
There was absolutely no reason for Taylor to blow the whistle when Gakpo was going for the ball the keeper had rolled out. It wasn't a free kick, the ball was still in play. Had Gakpo scored, would VAR have given it? Surely the referee can't just randomly blow the whistle and stop play for no reason. He then realised he'd made a mistake and tells the keeper to go down. Yet more bizarre refereeing in one of our games.
https://x.com/ptgorst/status/1784223341097681036 What a cünt. Klopp covered for him /dismissed it too
Have to disagree with you about never being good enough against the top sides Tottenham away - ripped off by VAR Arsenal Hone - ripped off by VAR Man Utd home and away- created enough chances to win 20 10 games Man City away - Draw Man City home - ripped off by VAR plus missed chances if we weren’t creating chances then that’s different but we are . The disappointing part is not converting the chances we’ve created. The biggest issue that has arisen is defensively. there are far more positives than negatives to this season. We were looking at getting top four and ended up being able to challenge for the title. Ok, it hasn’t worked out but the new Coach is coming to a team that with a few tweaks is better than what happened a year ago.
Same. Initially, they pulled together as a result of that announcement but a lot of the season was left. Once troubles start, it's difficult when the managers already announced they're going, players aren't fighting for their place at the club any more. **** attitude if that's the case, but we all know there are people with said **** attitudes about.
I think it's pretty damming that some of these players aren't showing the passion, desire and respect for a manager that's pretty much given them the boost in their careers. I'm not just talking about Salah, there's a few that have basically given up since the title wasn't likely. 3 games left, couldn't give a **** about tiredness now, if you can't manage 3 more games and putting 100% in and doing it for a manager that has done the best for the club, then they can **** off to play walking football in Saudi.
I'm 50/50 on this. Nobody knows what either person said. The manager has to be respected by the players especially in a televised public setting. However, I'm not laying into Salah after all he's done us. He's been the consummate professional and I can forgive one frustrated outburst. I realise I'm probably on my own with this but what's new.
The manager is in charge and that's an end to it for me. If I was a manager I wouldn't stand for that at all. If a player has a beef I'm sure he would be able to express it at the right time and the right place. Like I said, a bit of petulance at being taken off is ok, but back-chatting the boss on the touchline before getting on is unacceptable for me. Can you see Klopp saying anything that would justify such an exchange? I even backed Mourinho when the Chelsea players downed tools on him. My dislike for him was secondary to the belief that he is in charge and the players absolutely have to respect the role, if not the man. Having said that Mourinho is a knob and I can sort of understand players falling out with him. I don't think Klopp deserves that disrespect at all. A happy dressing-room is essential for a team to succeed - it may be moot now that Klopp is leaving, but it leaves a sour taste in my mouth and unless I hear of some serious mitigating factor it's a massive blemish on Mo's time with us imo. It adds fuel to the haters as well - it just shouldn't have happened.
That's what I mean though. Defensively the stats don't lie. We concede over 1.3 gpg against the top half. As I've said loads we have given everything we had and some more and the injuries and fitness has caught up with some. It doesn't change the facts thet all season we've not done well against the top half sides where we've seen loads of chances against us. We managed earlier in the season to convert those issues into draws against City and Arsenal (they could have been 3 up before we got going) There's been a balance issue all season. Imo it's a lack of real aggression at times and also it comes with the klopp tactic #1. Lose it and everyone close that ball down. 2 and 3 got at it no matter that position they have to mind. endo? 6 no run at the ball. Tsimikas marking a man, no run at the ball. It's drilled into them to do it so when others show a lack of aggression when thry get passed by we are wide open. There will be a lot of work for slot to get on with. I don't know exactly what edward thinks will happen but he's not going to turn up and clone klopps tactics. I'd fully expect several change to be enforced on the team from players wanting to go and quite probably the club saying time to go to others. There will be more than a few tweaks needed just to keep 4th.
That excuse for a commentary team was really getting on my tits again today - especially the first half.
I think you're probably taking it more seriously than I am. I love Klopp, you know I pretty much hang on his every word because I'm always repeating what he's said in interviews and agreeing with him, when you, yourself have taken issue with some of the things. (No example comes instantly to mind). I'm aware that's totally different to disrespecting him. I'm just confirming that I've always been in, more or less, complete agreement with him, what he's done and what he's said. Salah, on the other hand, has been petulant at times and for someone with 100% dedication to what he does, I view those times as understandable because he just wants to play more than anything. I like players showing passion and being frustrated at being subbed. He's done far too much good, in my view, to be upset over a heated exchange.
I don't watch the post-match stuff, but I believe Klopp played the whole thing down. If Mo had done likewise I'd be less exercised by the whole thing. It was the comment quoted at the beginning of this discussion that I take exception to.
Just imo If Darwin nunez needs to pull you away as your manager holds his temper then you have to be well out of order. This is the same as the mane v salah stuff. You knew full well mane wasn't happy and imo decided then he was not staying. Klopp is going and imo salah has to be gone too. We cannot have anyone thinking that are bigger than the no mark new Coach. It's absolutely vital the dressing room is United so the senior players plus new assistant coaches need to be very careful to stamp on egos.
Ego, innit? I see Shearer has said he understands Mo being upset because he's been such a star performer in the past. This is bollocks, imo. He has been in the past, but he's been virtually anonymous in recent games. Stephen Warnock called it a clash of egos - again, no. Klopp is in charge, it's his job to try to win games not pander to the wishes of his players. His ego doesn't come into it. If something isn't working then he has to try to make it work. If Mo had a bit more self-awareness he'd admit he hasn't been playing well, accept the manager's decision for the good of the team and try to get his form back. Of course, maybe he does realise he's been poor and is frustrated with himself and is taking it out on an easier target.
