I don't think I have, but if they get hacked down then that's a genuine foul and I was referring to diving and feigning injury.
I would never want our players to fake injury or play act like Arsenal (and tbf others ) do. I don't like cheating. I have no problem with them staying down a bit longer if it gets the referees attention and the actual rules applied for fouls that he would otherwise ignore though.
It is getting farcical now surely as its Everton's second offence there should be a bigger punishment. See there trying to now get rid of the point deduction thing all together, bet City's punishment will come out the day after that goes through!
Who is trying to get rid of it? Tbh it's a bit farcical atm, because no-one who might be affected, and by extension those around them, know what's happening. To be fair, the deductions should apply to the season where the transgressions took place, but that is clearly impossible, so perhaps they should be applied at the end of this season? That still doesn't eliminate the uncertainty, but at least it stops the toing and froing (that really looks wrong written down ) that's happening atm. There should be no appeal either, imo - that just makes the whole process worse.
they seem to be saying yeah we already piunished you for this.... but.... its a rolling 3 years. so everton have tried to pack all thier prior losses over james and anchelotti et al into the coivd year and got cuaght rotten for it. They have now have 2 years to balance it and failed twice to do so. I think its a mockery personally of the rules to be giving them less than forest and forest should use this in thier appeal. the onus on these commissions is to have a defined level of deduction or fine and not deviate. how can one year be 10, reduced to six but applied 12 month late (causing another side to go down) and then another clube get 4 in 2023/24 but everont then get 2? thats making a mockery of the entire system and showing it up as them amking it up as they go. 1 point per 5 mil breach? 1 point per 1 mil? +5 for non co-operation? +5 for each consecutive breach? etc etc have a rules based system for this stuff.
the cubs are. they are going in after this season to redo the prem rules and get rid of points as a punishment. they all freaked out when everotn got their first one.
As MITO say's the clubs are voting for a rule change next season basically bringing in a luxury tax for clubs who break ffp rules so they get fined and the money is split between the clubs that obey the rules.
I've said "should have gone down" when one of our players stayed on their feet the the penalty area after being clipped a fair few times but that's more a reflection on referees refusing to give a penalty if a player stays on their feet. Not all fouls make players fall over (Not always a foul when a players does fall over either)
2 points is a joke. We've been arbitrarily docked more points than that in a single game by bad refereeing.
Or, if there is and it's proves unsuccessful, they should get additional punishment. Bit like appealing red cards
I get the feeling that the appeal process for these points deductions will be like VAR. Go and check and the decision will be altered.
This is my view too... I definitely feel like there should be an appeal process, mistakes are made and sometimes new evidence comes to light, but it should only be used when there is a legitimate reason to appeal. If you appeal frivolously you should be punished harder.
I don’t understand that they have Everton 2 points because in part, Everton’s early admission of guilt. And then they say everton now appealing it?! So why is it, are they admitting they’re guilty or are they innocent? If they’ve admitted they’re guilty their appeal should be laughed out and points deduction doubled for wasting time and no longer admitting guilt.
Why? It's not a criminal process - no-one's going to jail, no-one's being made destitute. Everyone knows the rules, break them and you get punished. Why muddy the waters and give people the opportunity to drag the whole process out even further? When it happens often enough clubs will get the message and stop doing it, then it won't be an issue.
The prem/fa whoever it is are as much to blame though. They’ve never really taken these things seriously and a threat of independent regulator has made them think oh ****, we best do something. As such they’re just making up the punishments as they go along as they haven’t actually written down what punishment each breach represents. I can see arguement for an against Everton. Everton saying they got a more point deduction than forest despite forest % being much higher - then prem saying forest were helpful in the info (sorry I’m not sure that should impact, should be other way. You’re expected to provide helpful data and if you don’t we increase the punishment). But then Everton have fallen foul in 2 rolling years so should they be punished more as clewrly haven’t taken it seriously? It does seem all the clubs just thought they’d get a slap on the wrists and a small fine and told to be careful in future and the points deduction has totally thrown the clubs.
