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New Head Coach

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by FellTop, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    It's hard to know isn't it ...

    ... the previous manager, Xisco, brought in 4 new coaches and they were all quickly sacked.
     
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  2. Chunksafc

    Chunksafc Well-Known Member

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    Please don't quote me, we don't agree on things, let's leave it at that
     
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  3. Chunksafc

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    Dodds and proctor are highly thought off in coaching circles, we would be silly to get rid of then, but they need to find a home that suits their skills.

    Front and centre might not be the right role for them and I don't think they should be forced on any new coach.
     
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  4. Smug in Boots

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    Oh yeah, forgot <laugh>
     
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  5. WorkyTicketFTM

    WorkyTicketFTM Well-Known Member

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    Why does it matter if you sack the managers coaching staff when the manager goes? They’re on peanuts compared to the players and it removes any conflict of interest there could’ve been amongst staff loyal to the manager that’s just been sacked.

    Would Ancelloti have taken the Madrid job if he couldn’t take his right hand man who happens to be his brother? Emery take the villa job if he had to work with Beale/McAllister?
     
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  6. WorkyTicketFTM

    WorkyTicketFTM Well-Known Member

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    Are they though? Or are we sticking by Dodds because he’s mates with the Bellinghams? I remember when LJ was sacked and the pair of them fielded the same Xl that got twatted 6-0 by Bolton and lost to Cheltenham and Doncaster iirc. There’s your chance to go and prove yourself you’ve got nothing to lose and they field the same team.
     
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  7. Smug in Boots

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    Just wondering if bringing if bringing in four coaches is always a good thing ...

    ... it didn't work with Xisco at Sheff Wed who are now doing better.
     
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  8. SourPatch2

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    We have a fairly small coaching staff;

    Interim Head Coach - Mike Dodds
    First Team Coach - Michael Proctor
    First Team Coach - Anthony Hayes
    Head of Goalkeeping - Alessandro Barcherini

    I think I read that Murty is helping with the day to day coaching as well.

    In the announcement it was stated that Hayes is only here until the end of the season and I don't think Patterson has kicked on under Barcherini so wouldn't be against replacing him, that definitely leaves space for a new head coach to bring at minimum an assistant and a GK coach, and then personally I would like one other and allow Murty to concentrate on the academy.

    We definitely have room to allow a new head coach to bring staff AND keep Dodds/Proctor, I just hope the club see sense.
     
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  9. Chunksafc

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    I can only go on what I have read and they are both highly rated development coaches.

    Are they fit for first team up front duties? I have my doubts but we promoted dodds when we appointed Beale and its very difficult to demote someone
     
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  10. Smug in Boots

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    That's my thoughts, no need to blow everyone out of the door and start from scratch.

    Night night <laugh>
     
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  11. WorkyTicketFTM

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    It’s football nothing is nailed on. Surely as a chairman who’s just sacked a manager you want to give the new manager the best tools to do the job which includes working with people you not only understand but also enjoy working with.

    It didn’t work with Xisco but then they brought in Rohl and his own team and it has worked. Why does it matter if you sack 3 members of staff to replace them with 3 that your new manager wants anyway it doesn’t really cost anything you’re just replacing wages?
     
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  12. Pure River Slut

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    I think we need experience somewhere. My instincts are particularly in recruitment, shared decision making. Someone with shared authority as well as track record.,
     
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  13. Coastal Dolphins

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    Doing a cracking job. Really good defensive record and only 10 points behind PSG who have Mbappe and co. Great chance of Champions League qualification…
     
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    Isn't Stuart Harvey that person?
     
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  16. Chunksafc

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    They are highly regarded development coaches, as I've said should they be front and centre of the first team probably not, but they have a place here
     
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    Highly regarded by who?
     
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  18. Chunksafc

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    Jude Bellingham for one, mowbray rated them, plus people have said that within the game they are highly thought of
     
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  19. Pure River Slut

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    The only thing I disagree with about coaching a 9 is the anticipation. A good one can read a possible pass before the midfielder has decided and almost makes it for them. It’s almost the thinking before the movement, reading of the game I guess but also an awareness of when to shoot. Some just have it in them, others can be taught the art of leading the line.
     
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  20. SourPatch2

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    Neil tried to take him to Stoke also.
     
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