It's hard to know isn't it ...
... the previous manager, Xisco, brought in 4 new coaches and they were all quickly sacked.
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It's hard to know isn't it ...
... the previous manager, Xisco, brought in 4 new coaches and they were all quickly sacked.
Please don't quote me, we don't agree on things, let's leave it at that
Dodds and proctor are highly thought off in coaching circles, we would be silly to get rid of then, but they need to find a home that suits their skills.
Front and centre might not be the right role for them and I don't think they should be forced on any new coach.
Why does it matter if you sack the managers coaching staff when the manager goes? They’re on peanuts compared to the players and it removes any conflict of interest there could’ve been amongst staff loyal to the manager that’s just been sacked.
Would Ancelloti have taken the Madrid job if he couldn’t take his right hand man who happens to be his brother? Emery take the villa job if he had to work with Beale/McAllister?
Are they though? Or are we sticking by Dodds because he’s mates with the Bellinghams? I remember when LJ was sacked and the pair of them fielded the same Xl that got twatted 6-0 by Bolton and lost to Cheltenham and Doncaster iirc. There’s your chance to go and prove yourself you’ve got nothing to lose and they field the same team.
Just wondering if bringing if bringing in four coaches is always a good thing ...
... it didn't work with Xisco at Sheff Wed who are now doing better.
We have a fairly small coaching staff;
Interim Head Coach - Mike Dodds
First Team Coach - Michael Proctor
First Team Coach - Anthony Hayes
Head of Goalkeeping - Alessandro Barcherini
I think I read that Murty is helping with the day to day coaching as well.
In the announcement it was stated that Hayes is only here until the end of the season and I don't think Patterson has kicked on under Barcherini so wouldn't be against replacing him, that definitely leaves space for a new head coach to bring at minimum an assistant and a GK coach, and then personally I would like one other and allow Murty to concentrate on the academy.
We definitely have room to allow a new head coach to bring staff AND keep Dodds/Proctor, I just hope the club see sense.
Interim Head Coach - Mike Dodds
First Team Coach - Michael Proctor
First Team Coach - Anthony Hayes
Head of Goalkeeping - Alessandro Barcherini
I think I read that Murty is helping with the day to day coaching as well.
In the announcement it was stated that Hayes is only here until the end of the season and I don't think Patterson has kicked on under Barcherini so wouldn't be against replacing him, that definitely leaves space for a new head coach to bring at minimum an assistant and a GK coach, and then personally I would like one other and allow Murty to concentrate on the academy.
We definitely have room to allow a new head coach to bring staff AND keep Dodds/Proctor, I just hope the club see sense.
I can only go on what I have read and they are both highly rated development coaches.
Are they fit for first team up front duties? I have my doubts but we promoted dodds when we appointed Beale and its very difficult to demote someone
That's my thoughts, no need to blow everyone out of the door and start from scratch.
Night night
It’s football nothing is nailed on. Surely as a chairman who’s just sacked a manager you want to give the new manager the best tools to do the job which includes working with people you not only understand but also enjoy working with.
It didn’t work with Xisco but then they brought in Rohl and his own team and it has worked. Why does it matter if you sack 3 members of staff to replace them with 3 that your new manager wants anyway it doesn’t really cost anything you’re just replacing wages?
I think we need experience somewhere. My instincts are particularly in recruitment, shared decision making. Someone with shared authority as well as track record.,
Doing a cracking job. Really good defensive record and only 10 points behind PSG who have Mbappe and co. Great chance of Champions League qualification…
They are highly regarded development coaches, as I've said should they be front and centre of the first team probably not, but they have a place here
Jude Bellingham for one, mowbray rated them, plus people have said that within the game they are highly thought of
The only thing I disagree with about coaching a 9 is the anticipation. A good one can read a possible pass before the midfielder has decided and almost makes it for them. It’s almost the thinking before the movement, reading of the game I guess but also an awareness of when to shoot. Some just have it in them, others can be taught the art of leading the line.Maybe we see 9s differently. No disrespect mate but if you are suggesting Stewart isnt a 9, because he played wide 4 years ago then I may never sway you. Phillips was a full back...
Ollie Watkins is an out and out 9 for me. Absolute elite level. As is Kane. They are real throw back 9s. I go back to 9s like Hately, as an example of what folk often refer to. He was not restricted to the box. He would come in to receive and set up play. Even Lineker did it, and at Barca was renowned for his little give and go in deep. 9s arent lads who just play in the box, never have been. If we are saying Kane isnt a 9 I am probably in the wrong game.
My definition of a 9 is somebody who is the highest point on the pitch in transition. Somebody who is the outball into a channel or a wall pass. Then they are lads who have that desire to beat their marker to the ball, whether on the deck or in the air. They need instinct to see the play developing and hit positions that wingers have to hit. Wyke was a prime example in his 30 goal season. Johnson did the oldest coaching trick in the book and had him run across his man. Once McGeady trusted that run he just hit the front post area (POMO) and the rest is history.
As an aside, the easiest position on the pitch to coach is 9, in my opinion. There is nothing complex and very few instructions. Only good coaches understand how to coach other players to work with a 9. Having wingers and midfielders move the ball quick enough and pull opposition players about is tough. Wingers tend to be hard to coach in my opinion, head down merchants and ball greedy buggers. I reckon some coaches have taken the easy route of not wanting to teach wingers how to be massively effective - path of least resistance.
Anyway, put me in charge of transfers and I will give you 2 proper 9s, no bother
Neil tried to take him to Stoke also.