I’ve been fairly consistent in my criticism over the season. First 10 next season will certainly be interesting as you don’t recruit the way we did this season if you aren’t going for it. Too many of our core will be leaving without us recouping a fee
I think you'll find I've given him praise and credit numerous times this season, last being when I saw the line up for the Leeds came. Doesn't mean I can't also think he's not the man who best to take us forward. I hated what the allams did to us but could still praise if they did something good ( yes rare, but still happened ). As for being the minority, yes I was for a long time, but I'm not so sure that's the case now after seeing recent social media interactions, hearing fans talk and interaction I've had with people who were previously pro LR. Just because you feel he's doing great and is the man to take us forward, doesn't mean you have an agenda....just as me thinking he's taken us as far as he can doesn't mean I have either. Anyway.... Let's leave this of a ( what should be ) positive thread. If you want to carry it on. Feel free to PM me
I’ve always found the timing of these odd anyway. Why is it going out 6 games before the end of the season? If Rohl ends up keeping Sheff Wendies up comfortably he’d have a good shout. If Lowe gets Preston in the playoffs he’d have a good shout. I don’t think any of the relegated sides managers should be in there considering none of them have ran away with it like they should’ve.
You don't recruit the way we have and expect to get full potential out of 7-8 new players window after window in just a couple of months. They've had a punt, but they're not really here long enough it to be based on stable foundations. It's too much churn. And next summer will inevitably be the same. I've said I fear for him if we finish lower than 10th. I expect anything else will be seen as progress. Obviously expectations for next year will be based on next years recruitment.
I think we talk a lot about long term progress and I don’t disagree that Rosenior will grow over time. The big but is though that recruitment isn’t going to bring that and if he’s happy with spending like we did in Jan and falling short like we have it’ll only make recruitment in summer harder.
I don't think Rosenior decides the strategy. He'll have input over specific targets and areas, but honestly I think we've tried to do a bit too much too quickly, especially in January. And in hindsight it's just raised expectations detrimentally. I keep banging on about stability, but we need a settled squad in the longer term. And stability comes from the top down. We aren't going to just spend our way to the playoffs as there will always be another 6 or 8 with greater resources. So we need to find other ways of gaining an advantage. Stability in approach and seeing a project through to fruition is one way to do that. I don't want to be a Stoke, or a Blackburn, or a Birmingham or Sunderland where we needlessly sack a decent gaffer, rip it up and start again, waste a lot of prior investment and end up nowhere as a direct result. We need to hold our nerve. We're so close to being a very good side, which makes it extremely frustrating, but it really just needs to click going forward. Again, familiarity, structure, partnerships all need time and stability to develop. Instant success is the exception rather than the rule. I can't help but feel changing coach based on the last run of fixtures would just be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
He must be at least informed of how these players are brought in. I’d have almost (for Liam’s benefit) rather have seen players like Docherty and Traore play bigger parts instead of recruiting too many talented players. As from the outside looking in now Rosenior has a talented squads he’s incapable of getting a consistent tune out of. Context for that of course but the foundations he’s laid this season are being ripped apart in summer regardless of whether he’s here or not as that many of the current squad are leaving anyway.
From the outside looking in, he's just been nominated amongst the top 3 managers in the division for the job he's done, so I think we're perhaps underestimating the competition and at the same time maybe inflating our own expectations based on the fact we're not signing the likes of Tom Eaves and Jordan Flores any more. But realistically, if you constantly chop and change your forward line whether out of choice or necessity then anyone is going to struggle with consistency. If there's going to be a lot of churn in summer then all the more reason not to add to that issue by replacing the manager and having the remainder back to square 1 with a new system and new coach also. Prutton asked the question yesterday how many of our talented kids from Jan are really solid, experienced and established, or have they just had a season where they've shown something in already very good championship sides, got their big break in the PL and then struggled to back it up? Personally I'd say we need more of a stable core and then supplement with a few prodigies. We've just gone all out for the prodigies in Jan and that's where we've fallen short. IMHO. But it's easy to say that in hindsight.
Timing is ridiculous when there's 6/7 games left (and play offs). No wins in 6. 2 shots on target in the last 2 games. Dreadful home record. Supported so positively in the past 3 windows. Etc. Had we progressed over the past 3 months or so and cemented a place in the play offs then yep, I'd get the nomination. But the dead opposite has happened. I don't get it at al. It's ridiculous. When I saw the OP I thought it was a delayed April fool.joke
Just read this about rosenior.....is it some sort of sick joke?....manager of the season!!!!! Just when i thought the world couldn't get anymore crazier then it is...and this happens,,...**** me!!!!
Just seems to me like a classic ‘Hull City are overachieving’ thing rather than a genuine look at what’s actually happened. Yes, Rosenior has done a good job in improving us and deserves another go next season. But surely we cannot deny that our forwards have not scored enough, considering the talent we have. That is ultimately down to the manager. I’m not being negative, just realistic. And for the record, I want Rosenior to be given the chance to improve. There’s no point in changing managers so quickly (unless they have clearly lost the dressing room).
Not quite the full story though is it. It's only a weekend since we dropped out of realistic contention for 6th.
His nomination is based on the whole season. From where we were when he took over, even though the last few results have been disappointing, we are 6th in the away form table at present, and yes our home form has been the problem (13th), but we have only lost 6 at home and only Coventry and the top 6 have lost less at home than us. Home table GP W D L GF GA GD Pts 1 Leeds Utd 20 16 4 0 44 13 +31 52 2 Ipswich Town 20 15 4 1 56 31 +25 49 3 Norwich City 20 14 2 4 39 19 +20 44 4 Leicester City 19 14 1 4 38 14 +24 43 5 West Brom 20 13 4 3 33 16 +17 43 6 Southampton 19 12 3 4 46 25 +21 39 7 Preston 20 10 4 6 31 31 0 34 8 Coventry City 19 8 8 3 30 19 +11 32 9 Sunderland 20 10 1 9 30 27 +3 31 10 Birmingham C 20 8 6 6 27 24 +3 30 11 Bristol City 20 9 3 8 23 20 +3 30 12 Cardiff City 20 9 3 8 23 24 -1 30 13 Hull City 20 7 7 6 27 22 +5 28 14 Plymouth 20 8 4 8 38 34 +4 28 15 Middlesbrough 20 8 4 8 22 21 +1 28 16 Sheffield Wed 20 7 5 8 21 24 -3 26 17 Blackburn 20 6 5 9 26 31 -5 23 18 Swansea City 20 6 5 9 22 27 -5 23 19 Stoke City 20 6 5 9 15 25 -10 23 20 Millwall 20 6 5 9 17 28 -11 23 21 Watford 20 5 7 8 31 28 +3 22 22 Huddersfield 20 5 7 8 24 31 -7 22 23 QP Rangers 20 5 6 9 23 30 -7 21 24 Rotherham 20 4 7 9 19 25 -6 19 Away table GP W D L GF GA GD Pts 1 Leicester City 20 13 3 4 39 21 +18 42 2 Ipswich Town 20 11 5 4 28 20 +8 38 3 Southampton 19 10 5 4 30 26 +4 35 4 Leeds Utd 20 10 4 6 31 18 +13 34 5 Middlesbrough 20 9 3 8 34 32 +2 30 6 Hull City 19 9 3 7 27 29 -2 30 7 Coventry City 20 8 4 8 33 27 +6 28 8 Watford 20 7 7 6 26 27 -1 28 9 Cardiff City 20 8 2 10 22 30 -8 26 10 West Brom 20 6 7 7 29 23 +6 25 11 Preston 19 7 4 8 21 24 -3 25 12 QP Rangers 20 7 4 9 16 21 -5 25 13 Swansea City 20 6 6 8 27 33 -6 24 14 Bristol City 20 6 5 9 21 25 -4 23 15 Blackburn 20 6 4 10 30 35 -5 22 16 Stoke City 20 6 4 10 23 29 -6 22 17 Millwall 20 5 6 9 21 25 -4 21 18 Sunderland 20 5 5 10 21 23 -2 20 19 Norwich City 20 5 5 10 33 39 -6 20 20 Huddersfield 20 3 9 8 20 34 -14 18 21 Plymouth 20 2 7 11 17 31 -14 13 22 Sheffield Wed 20 4 1 15 10 40 -30 13 23 Birmingham City 20 3 3 14 17 37 -20 12 24 Rotherham 20 0 4 16 13 56 -43 4 It is Liam's first full season in management, he has got a lot of things right, and I am sure he will figure out, which effectively is the last piece of the jigsaw being the way to score more goals. Maybe bringing in an attacking coach to help might be a way of solving the problem? IMO, one thing I think it highlights, bring in 7 players in January, and expecting them to all gel quickly, doesn't give enough time for players to do so. I think we all, including Liam, thought bring the quality of Carvalho and Zaroury along with Jaden would have a bigger impact that it has had, but so far it just hasn't worked how we would all like. January is the time to bring in one or two players to enhance the squad IMO, and having to completely change an attacking forward line, which was largely due to Delap and Connolly being injured, isn't easy to do. There is no doubt the loss of Delap was a big factor, also Connolly being wiped out by Gunn also put him back, when we might have expected him to have stepped up and taken up the scoring if he had stayed fit then we might well have a different story. The calling for Liam to be sacked is just crazy, I am sure given time we will continue to improve.
