It’s one thing that annoys me because his lack of defensive ability is massively overplayed. He’s not the best defender in the world but at the same time he’s. It asked to sit alongside his back 4 and just mark the winger. He’s asked to play higher up and as such teams target that side as more open. Because of that he’s often then chasing back into position or doubled up as Salah doesn’t offer great protection either. His 1v1 defending when he’s tight it fine. It’s just when he gets squared up he’s easier to go past as doesn’t have the strength and speed of Walker. Problem is any time a player goes past him it’s a 10 minutes discussion on his defending ability. How much was said about Walker when diaz made him look like a 10 year old with 2 left feet a few weeks back? Absolutely nothing.
We looked vulnerable yesterday down our right hand side,but it was Bradley not Trent. Also have to take in to account the quality of the oppositions left side going forward,I was impressed with Adingra. Its been suggested before that teams avoid targeting our left hand side because VvD is there.......who knows. Trent is not a defensive weakness....I think we can say that.
Nobody gets much joy out of Virgil, so it makes sense for them to try to go down the other side. Especially now, with two relatively experienced youngsters there.
I would never dig out a player Never have done and defo won’t start with Trent for me Trent does what his manager asks him to do - I do t think that Trent has good positional awareness however I look at players like top trumps cards - and where Trent may lack in a category he more than makes up for in other areas is he an automatic choice Not in my book but only because no one really should be first choice Is he better than Bradley My Trump cards would say yes lol
Bradley should play. this went from he runs anywhere he wants from inverted right back to as a proper right back he's got great stats. if folk want to defend no matter what fear enough, just stick a trent appreciation soxiety sticker on. meanwhile in the real world tell me again why Bradley or endo should be auto dropped when trent returns, and will be well short of fitness.
The irony of you saying people defend no matter what, when you’re essentially slagging him off no matter what with complete made up evidence….
I've not made a thing up. I'm going off game si've seen. When trent is back to play he is not good, when he sits deeper in that RCB slot facing the right way he can ping balls all day. He isnot good at turning, he hasn't the hard won instrincts of a midfielder and his adult experience for nearly 7 years is facing the right way and seeing the pitch. Its a huge task to get used to the awareness levels required of him to know where the players are coming and get himself truned then look for a pass. If i were an oppoistion manager and i saw trent start my instruction would be to press him and not let him trun. This doesn't need to be hard pressing even just go force him to pass back. Brighton pressed vvd all day and he never really got a long pass offf. sides can do the same to trent. you only actually need 2 forwards to do this as we invert and making things narrow.
You’ve made up that Trent runs off on his own doing his own thing - suggesting that klopp is either too poor a manager to see it himself, or even worse he sees it, and has no power over the players to instruct him to play how he wants him to. Given you’ve always mentioned how klopp takes no **** and quoted sakho situation it’s amazing that he’s now gone full circle and is letting TAA do what ever he wants on the pitch. Or just maybe you’re talking crap and TAA is doing exactly what klopp is asking him to do hence why he’s VC and starts when fit 99% of the time.
i've not. i've seen him left wing after running across form inverted position while teams attack his defensive slot. the ony thing joe gomez does (who's not good on the ball in that zone) is he sticks to his side of the park. he might go to central but he won't go further. if you are an inverted fullback then you might go to 6 but you can't also run off even further without consequence. Imo we should start bradley in the league and let trent fight for his spot and that might be best. Let him prove he is fit v atlanta. Actual competition will sharpen everyone. no player should ever be assured of place without perofrming. they should be picked because they perform.
I don’t think any player ever has and will under Klopp either? Maybe I miss the games where Trent plus left wing as I’ve never seen him there but clewrly happens all the time if you’re picking up on it. In that case I’m glad klopps going end of season so we can hopefully get someone in who will be able to tell the players where should be playing and not just let them run away from position with no consequences.
Well you'd wonder on occasion but look he says alisson is no 1 and kelleher is no2 but alisson has never "not performed" I'm using occasions as examples. I have seen trent follow the ball and wind up out ther ein cames from right full inverted. this is all fine unitl players run into that slot and score. the reality is we have a lot of quality in the team so trent hasn't been caught out too many times as we can cover things, but then the big big games come rolling about they can't affrod it and the results are clear. At the very highest level where a player going missing costs, generally it will cost. they punish you. Bradley will learn that eventually. IMo he went gambling yesterdya with some of the high intensity closing down he did. he desiced being run at wasn't fun do he went and forced them back with really fast closing down and he turned over good ball but its a risk and reward. He was doing this in his own slot, there was a cb behind him. Get it wrong and that cb can have two running on him. The problem i have with inverted RB is that the CB now has 2 players charging him while the full back is awol. I found what brighton were doing chasing gomez all over the park was a bit mad as they could have had two players wide running at vvd if they got the ball over there.
And there's the rub. Your opinion is irrelevant - so is mine, and that of everyone else on here. What we want doesn't matter, it's Klopp's decision. Rather than discuss what we would do it's more fruitful to discuss what is likely, based on what we know and have seen in the past. The most likely scenario is that Trent (when fit - I really shouldn't have to keep making this point) will replace Bradley. Klopp might be sufficiently impressed by Bradley to ease Trent back in with a few substitute starts but he's not going to relegate him to second-fiddle now is he?
dismissing opinion is tantamount to censorship. I'd want to see trent have to fight for the spot. fit or not. actually fight for it and not just be handed it. same for robertson. he's not been the same player since the injury and i don't know hjow his legs have lost stmina when he should have been able to run all day. gomez has taken on his shirt and pushed tsimikas to 3rd choice. Same for endo grabbing 6 off maccalliser. It will be up to jone to make a case to get that left side no 8 back off whoever and not walk back in. Should quansah just be dropped for konate? I'd contend not. In this case its even hard to call as konate is managing some issues where he just isn't right and they should roate with the amount of games coming. the more competiton the better. this is the best squad effort, even better than 2021/22 IMO everyone has someone pushing them now.
Oh behave, I'm not censoring anyone's opinion, as if I could. I'm just pointing out that it gets us nowhere and we'd be better served - in this context at least - discussing what we think will happen rather than peddling our own preferences. I'm not keen on the inverted FBs, but I recognise that they're a thing and so I don't keep pushing a scenario where they don't exist. I suspect you know that Trent is most likely a shoo-in when he's ready, so you're in effect just setting yourself up to be exasperated. I'm only thinking of your BP.
you behave telling us our valued opinions are irrelevant. my point is he should not be a shoo anythign without performing So if you want to know what i think WILL happen then I note that none of our manager options play inverted full backs. if anything alonso might have suited trent with a 3 at the back and just let him go tactic. anjorim also plays 3 at the back where he is so we might have too many CMS for that manager even now. Again right side wing back makes more sense to me. The thing is past systems are no real indication of future as managers have to work with what they have to get the very best out of them. A formation with vvd in the centre of gomez and Quansah/konate for example might be complimented very well by trent at right wing back but it might not suit him in terms of what trent wants to be doing. I don't think we've have the LWB right now to do it as robertson's legs won't last. The strength of our squad is generally most players are flexible enough to do different things so IMO I don't see trent going to a centre midfield role in a 343 when szoboszlai and maccallister are available. I certinly don't see him at RCB! so wing back in competition with bradley makes most sense. If it were a 433 sure by all means compete with endo for 6 but i simply see this as another fad where sides figure out how to close the extra man down. Lampety following gomez was an example of that.
Do we want Klopp clone or a new manager with new ideas etc? Klopp as a manager/personality is almost irreplaceable for any team, just like Pep, when he leaves City. If it's Amorim, then it's a new style of play and we will have to accept some of the players we have now may not suit how he wants to play. Some of our favourites will go but that's the cycle of football
i don't know. we need to keep the work ethic and selection of players for their mentality. we need a man who keeps issues in behind closed doors not throwing people under buses the personality cannot be replaced. as you say there's 1000 ways to skin the cat tactically but the core values of work and character are the only things we can close the gap to our clubs with.
As you say what we don't need is a manager arguing with a player for effect live on tv like Pep the Prick did with Grealish on Sunday.
exactly. or a mourinho talking smack to the press about their issues. there's quite a few of these managers who will open their gob to the press these days. one thing klopp has not done is revealed all about anyone. he's moved on and just done the job while whingers like sahko and balotelli go on about how unfair it was they were turfed out.
