Fair shout.. Suppose we’ll see what happens but you’d imagine the Big Turk will want more then a team of potential also rans getting slated at home blurring his vision and commitments to date.
Haven’t read many of the previous posts but this team is too small, too slow and has too many players on an easy ride. Rosie seems to have no idea how to instil heart and commitment into his players. He needs to believe the evidence of his eyes not bloody statisticians. I fear the taxi maybe on standby, which is really sad ‘cos he’s a top, top human being.
Oh well, it’s only a game. At least I guess we can say we won the warm ups. This one ranks as one of the worst performances seen this season. Been supporting City long enough to know that’s how we roll, Hull City the gift that keeps on giving, we’re so benevolent to struggling teams. Stoke wanted it more. I thought the break away was to keep us sharp? (Not Billy!) I expected us to go in all guns blazing from the off, so to serve up that drivel is inexcusable. On paper we have a wealth of attacking players, currently looking like L1 larkers, yet not even able to test their keeper, he didn’t need to bring his gloves, that’s down to Rosie. And, don’t get me started on Allsop….I expect Pandur to be in next game.
Absolutely HT… explains a lot about lack of flexibility both of them display regularly. Martin’s Swansea side played much better football then us, with Allam level ownership..
I was very much in the camp of giving Rosie a chance as a young manager as opposed to a more experienced old hand from the managerial merry go round. I have to say though Howden that is probably a very fair assessment of our current situation and it pains me to say that.
I just hope rosenior is not our manager next season.....i doubt he will be mind....as he will probably be England manager or man u or real Madrid...cos "he" thinks he's good enough
I've been one of Rosie's most ardent supporters, but today was worrying for a number of reasons, some of which @Howdentiger2 might have more insight on than I do. For starters, Philogene needs taking aside and speaking to. Not in a bollocking kind of way, but something is clearly wrong with him. He has made mistakes, but he's never once lacked confidence in a City shirt and it struck me watching him that although he was following instructions and was where LR told him to be, when something didn't come off, his head went down. That suggests that the player is struggling with something, whether it's confidence, injury recovery or both, but if you're using the Four Corners model, psychology and physical overlap and would impact the technical side of it as well. That needs addressing because as one of the key players in our team, when he underperforms, the team does. We saw it with Tufan when he struggled, ditto Seri. I thought the recruitment was very strong, albeit lacking in an out and out striker. Fabio Carvalho is a proven goalscorer at this level and at the time Jaden was flying, so it made sense to bring him in to help ease the burden and provide a different outlet to Liam Delap (talks obviously began way before the injury). I can't confirm this, but I don't think Carvalho was brought in to be a striker, but has had to play there because we lost Delap. Ohio is the only one I raised an eyebrow at, because we could have loaned any kid from the PL and got the same result, was just so random to bring somebody in from what is a completely different division to the Championship and isn't even the best striker in that team. Pandur was a great signing and I think he'll be in goal in the coming weeks as we look to prepare him for next season. The noises coming out of the club contradicted the manager, because it sounds an awful lot like Tan and Acun are resigned to the fact that we aren't making the playoffs. Even LR's post match interview didn't sound as confident as it has in recent weeks, but he made a good point when he said there are eight games to go and anything can happen in that time period. Great, so then I would expect to see that performance consigned to history under him and never repeated. Though, again, as much as I love the bloke, he said those words before and yet the same foibles are apparent. We still play too slowly and today the selection proved that point. Stoke aren't a quick team, but they knew that if they got in our faces and rattled us, we'd break because we're a young team and we don't like it up us, so all they needed to do was be combative and press us out of possession. Teams near the bottom play that way against us time after time and we never learn, we want the opposition to dictate the tempo because we think it doesn't matter and that creates complacency. Arrogance is fine if you've got the ability to back it up, but suffice to say, not everybody in our team does. You look at Abdush, Carvalho, Jaden, Delap and Tufan ; THAT'S the level of player you need to play this system, but that's only five players out of twenty odd. We've seen it work against Leicester twice, Southampton, Cardiff and so on, so it's not as though it doesn't work, but the players you need are ones that can play without looking up, that overlap constantly and can packet players in midfield with their passing. Tufan can do that, get him into that midfield role alongside Seri. Adbush can do it, put him in the #10. If you don't, and you persist with (not having a go) players that can't do that, you're never going to get the system to work. I'd wager that if you brought Sinik into the fold next season, he'd do much better with Abdush and Tufan in the team with him. Wingers like Philogene and Zaroury need quick passes because that's what they expect, if you're a player who can't meet those expectations, you're not going to get much from your teammates, no matter how good they are. I really don't mind us not making the play offs, I didn't think we would and I don't think we are ready as a club, as evidenced by today. However, that doesn't mean accepting performances like today are part of the process, because they aren't, not for a team with ambition and potential. I'd be offering a refund to the home fans today (or the cash equivalent of a ticket for season pass holders) out of the first team players and staff's wages, which would be costly but shows them what's at stake if they fail.
I know people have said I wanted him to fail, but I really didn't. I want whoever is playing for us or managing us to succeed. I just couldn't see him having enough to take us to the next step. He's to inexperienced, to rigid etc.... I've no doubt he'll go on to have a great career.
I know what you mean mate. He steadied the ship no doubt and we all wanted him to do well. The lack of a proper striker in the team as it is now is killing us and is a significant factor. I’d like to put my boots on again and just get stuck into the back four and I’m no pro. What’s missing, I just don’t know but I’m not sure Liam does either. It’s a funny game football and fine margins make a difference. The point between what Acun has done and the results on the pitch is well made. There is a massive difference in the two,
The thing is, we were there... If we beat westbrom or preston or maybe even Birmingham, we're so much closer to cementing that last playoff place and then its all "Dare to Dream" and the rest of the magic of this league. If we never really got into our stride and ended up 10th, having been around there all season, I wouldn't be so fussed. It's that we got so close and fell short (presumably) that makes it painful and causes so much more backlash to LR.
Hull City manager Liam Rosenior told BBC Radio Humberside: "I feel flat, so disappointed, not just in the outcome but in our performance. There was no energy, no thrust to our play and when you don't play to your level it's important you don't concede goals like we did out there. "The first goal is crucial to any game. Stoke bombarded our left side of the pitch aerially and we have to deal with that, it's basic football. From the corner we didn't mark the first one, didn't mark the second one and then you're chasing the game. "I put two out-and-out strikers on the pitch and gambled, and we conceded a second. It's happening too often, I'd be crazy to say anything else. "It's still achievable, it's not over with eight games left to play but we have to perform better than that to get close to it." Stoke City manager Steven Schumacher told BBC Radio Stoke: "It was probably as complete a performance as we've had since we've been here. We were excellent from the first minute and probably the better team, although they had a spell just after half-time where they started quite brightly. "We weathered that storm and came back into it, getting the goals at an important time so it was a brilliant performance and a huge three points. "We've had a lot of time to think about Hull and to prepare for it, and the way we bought into the game plan and committed ourselves to everything - every challenge, every second ball - we were on it, and we passed it well as well." Match Stats
The "ridiculous hype" has been the hype surrounding Rosenior. Many appear to finally be catching up. He's bizarrely been so overrated. Tigers1970, you beat me to it (Sky pundit).
- Philogene was dynamite on the left wing, hes not as effective on the other side. Thats recruitment. - If we are moaning about our centre halves passing the ball we have a big problem. - We need to build for next season Omur and Pandur need to be in. - Roseniors football has been slow and methodical all season, against the poorer more physical teams its painful. We have the players to get at these teams I have no idea why we are so obsessed with keeping the ball rather than scaring the crap out of teams by been more direct. Well I suppose I do know its Rosies obsession with keeping the ball. - After what seemed a brilliant window this summer window is huge, losing the loan players and another rebuild is on the cards.
