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The 'Model'

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  1. Robertson

    Robertson Well-Known Member

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    Sunderland: Mike Dodds on 'divisive' transfer model

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    https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/24183466.sunderland-mike-dodds-divisive-transfer-model/

    By Dominic Shaw

    MIKE Dodds accepts Sunderland's transfer model will always divide opinion but says he prefers to focus on the hits rather than misses of the club's recruitment.…

    "The model is always going to divide opinion and it will continue to divide opinion," said Dodds.

    "With recruitment, and it is the same at every single football club in the country, sometimes you get it right and sometimes you don't. Sometimes a player moves and it doesn't quite work, and then he moves to another club and he flies and you go, 'what happened there?' Sometimes players just have good fits and sometimes it doesn't quite work.

    "I keep going back to Jack Clarke, he was playing Under-21 football at Spurs, he'd had some loans that didn't go very well but he wasn't a bad player, it just didn't work out.

    "He came to us in League One and he helped us get out of the league, but he wasn't the player we know now. People will talk about the model but for everyone that hasn't quite worked, we could sit here and name the ones that have.

    "You can talk about Jack, Dan Ballard, and then there's developing your own as well. Dan Neil - every time we go and see the opposition after the game, the opposition manager nine times out of 10 is talking about Dan Neil. 'What a player he is, one of your own', lots of clubs would love to have one of those.

    "Anthony Patterson, Jobe Belllingham..if he decided he wanted to leave the club tomorrow how much would he be worth at 18?

    "That's the positive of it, but of course there are always going to be the ones that don't quite work out. It'll continue to be a discussion point, when it works and when it doesn't."
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Some people won't like that post.
     
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  3. The Norton Cat

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    :emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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  4. Blond Bombshell

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    Great to hear, think we have to remind ourselves that it's worked 2 season's, then not this season. KLD has asked for patience and it's a big summer rebuild ahead.
     
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  5. OldNewtown

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    In some respects it could be viewed as a big summer rebuild, personally I see it as a tweaking of things.
    The new head coach and his assistant should slip into the existing set up almost seamlessly.
    A couple of players with good experience but young enough to improve and lead us up the table.
    Another seasons experience for our young players to grow into the team.
    Not a lot of change really
    It just comes down to making good choices.
    Ah...
     
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  6. Blond Bombshell

    Blond Bombshell Well-Known Member

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    And this is where a few pitchforks get sharpened... totally agree marra
     
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  7. Nacho

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    Yep two or three well chosen players, another year under their belt for our young lads, injured players making a return and we'll be a strong proposition. Nothing drastic required.
     
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  8. OldNewtown

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    I think those last 3 words are the most important "nothing drastic required ".
    It is a case of evolution not revolution, we don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water do we.
    Of course mistakes have been made, but nobody, and certainly no organisation, is perfect. As long as we are heading in the right direction, you sometimes just have to take the rough with the smooth. Nothing worthwhile is ever easy and I quite like the direction of travel. It may take longer to get to where we want to be than everyone would like but, in my personal opinion, it will hopefully be worth the wait.

    I've just read that back and it sounds like cliche central lol.
    Another victory for optimism over experience? Possibly, but I'd take the chance. Throwing money at a problem doesn't always solve it, good ideas, experience and application goes a long way to solving a problem, in my humble opinion of course.
     
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  9. Pure River Slut

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    We need to add some quality to the parts of the field we are piss weak and replace any players who leave sufficiently well. I’d argue we did neither in the last three windows, admittedly it’s not been long since the last one closed.
     
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  10. OldNewtown

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    I think the club are well aware that we are short in certain areas. The problem will be finding the right players for these positions rather just someone who can "do a job" particularly for the price that we can currently afford. Personally I'd rather wait a window or two to get the right players rather than just jump in, but there is a point where you have to address the problem.
     
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    Of course they are, we didn't make the play-offs which is what the club are aiming for ...

    ... there's no smoking gun that some believe they've found.

    It's bloody frustrating but there are lots of clubs trying to go up this way, only one will succeed.

    As a recent L1 club we have no divine right to be that one.
     
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  12. Bob the Mackem

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    I think its the fact we have been led a dance of sorts, that convinced loads of fans this is the right way to run the club.
    Getting rid of TN, DB, AP, before we were sorted has been a massive issue.and mistake, as results now show, leaving speakmans spy to coach the players is just plain stupid.imho
    Some will disagree, but it's all about opinions.
     
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  13. OldNewtown

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    I don't think any club has a devine right to be successful, it has to be earned.
    The problem that we have is that we are probably only a couple of good signings away from being a very good side. Conversely we are also only a couple of bad signings away from being financially hamstrung. It's a difficult balancing act.
     
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  14. Prehab26

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    Fully agree.

    Can not just get rid of players like that, add LG into it too. Just because they are slightly older doesn't mean they need to be moved on. It is also what they stand off each and every day at the AOL. Setting standards and expectations. Making sure that some of the younger lads arrive on time and not take the piss, which we have had our issues with...
     
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  15. OldNewtown

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    I think that this is one area that has disappointed more than any other. When a director of football is of the view that the head coach is not attaining the required results he should already have a list of candidates that could step in. The desired candidate should step in almost straight away. It would appear to me that this has not been the case and questions should be asked. The decision to release the head coach should not be a knee jerk reaction with no replacement lined up.

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    A similar line should apply to the players and of course the director of football
    The business should run smoothly without drama but as we all know that very rarely happens, particularly in football
     
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  16. Flash Gordon

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    Calling a good coach who's worked hard his entire career "Speakmans spy" is just plain stupid Bob.

    He might not be the right man for the job, but at least show some respect for a decent bloke who's doing his best for us.
     
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  17. Prehab26

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    It's just because when other coaches were in the role, MD was the middle man, on be ground with the players, and would feed it all back to KS.

    Obviously , former head coaches didn't really agree with this and felt undermined at times.
     
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  18. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    I think we do have a right to have better than Hemir or Burstow starting up front in this division being honest
     
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    It’s morning and I can’t get past thinking TN is Trevor Nelson
     
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  20. OldNewtown

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    I'd say we have the hope or expectation, can't see what actual rights we, as supporters, have.

    I think Hemir was bought for the future and shouldn't, wouldn't have been expected to start on a regular basis this season.
    I agree that Burstow has disappointed but I think both have suffered from the fact that the team has forgotten how to play with a CF. That problem however lies with the coaching staff. You could stick Harry Kane up there at the moment and he'd struggle to score.
     
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