1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

New Head Coach

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by FellTop, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. Chunksafc

    Chunksafc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2023
    Messages:
    5,818
    Likes Received:
    15,412
    Cooper would be my choice. Will he work with Speakman? Unlikely imo

    As we have been told, team selection is a group discussion with the head coach having final say
     
    #5801
  2. Stranded in Lugano

    Stranded in Lugano Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2020
    Messages:
    193
    Likes Received:
    577
    You highlight the one potential positive from this current predicament. If they are serious about getting promoted they’ll realise their approach needs some adjustment and tweaks. It’s such an alarming drop in the past few months they have to learn some lessons. I don’t want to rip up and start again as there are some good elements to what they are doing. It just needs refinement and I’m hoping the fall towards the bottom will make it clear where we need to change.

    Starting with the fact that a head coach is still the leader and focal point of the club. It’s not just about coaching skills. They also need the autonomy and staff to perform at their best.
     
    #5802
  3. FellTop

    FellTop Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2020
    Messages:
    10,549
    Likes Received:
    38,337
    I think he deserves a crack at another premier league job and I thought he might be a good fit for Palace. That has gone now and I think now if we make a massive push he will fancy us.
     
    #5803
  4. Robref62

    Robref62 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2019
    Messages:
    2,831
    Likes Received:
    6,755
    12 points there
     
    #5804
  5. FellTop

    FellTop Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2020
    Messages:
    10,549
    Likes Received:
    38,337
    Team selection must be a discussion between head coach and assistant only in my opinion.
     
    #5805
  6. Chunksafc

    Chunksafc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2023
    Messages:
    5,818
    Likes Received:
    15,412
    Then we may have a problem. Team selection is on record as being a 'team' discussion with the head coach having the final say
     
    #5806
    Oliver's Army likes this.
  7. Oliver's Army

    Oliver's Army Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2019
    Messages:
    32,230
    Likes Received:
    62,293
    Speakman (and any other sporting director) shouldn't be involved in picking the team.
     
    #5807
  8. Chunksafc

    Chunksafc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2023
    Messages:
    5,818
    Likes Received:
    15,412
    Agreed mate, but as Speakman said, team selection is a group discussion, but the head coach has the final say
     
    #5808
    Oliver's Army likes this.
  9. Oliver's Army

    Oliver's Army Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2019
    Messages:
    32,230
    Likes Received:
    62,293
    Too many cooks imo. If I was head coach I'd probably sit there and say, 'yes Kristaan, thanks for your input Kristaan' then when he leaves the room I'd pick whatever team I wanted to.

    Clearly I wouldn't last 2mins though. <laugh>
     
    #5809
  10. Chunksafc

    Chunksafc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2023
    Messages:
    5,818
    Likes Received:
    15,412
    Same here, I feel sorry for Beale, he vane here on his own, with established coaches picked by the dof and was meant to make a difference when the 'team' discussed the line up for the next game
     
    #5810
    Nordic and The Norton Cat like this.

  11. Oliver's Army

    Oliver's Army Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2019
    Messages:
    32,230
    Likes Received:
    62,293
    That's what Speakman has created himself though. He's the one who's come out and said its a group discussion, he's the one who's has said they have an 'obsession with progression', he's the one who said Beales coaching was 'elite'. He shouldn't be surprised when the flak turns towards him.

    He will know the crack anyway, he has lists of head coach options, KLD will have a list of sporting directors as well.
     
    #5811
    Bazza2310 and Chunksafc like this.
  12. The Norton Cat

    The Norton Cat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2015
    Messages:
    8,181
    Likes Received:
    15,883
    I think without knowing exactly the dynamics of the team selection meetings, it's very easy to assume the worst. It could be that the intention, at least, was that members of the 'team' were allowed to put across any suggestions that they had before the head coach made the decision. It doesn't necessarily mean that Speakman dictated what he thought and then the Head Coach refined it. I really don't think that dynamic would have worked with Mowbray so there's no reason to believe that Beale was made to work that way.
     
    #5812
    Flash Gordon likes this.
  13. Chunksafc

    Chunksafc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2023
    Messages:
    5,818
    Likes Received:
    15,412
    Mate, speakman himself said it is a team discussion around the starting 11 and the head coach has the final say.

    How else can you interpret it?
     
    #5813
  14. Sour Patch

    Sour Patch Guest

    Very normal thing in football this mind.
     
    #5814
  15. Chunksafc

    Chunksafc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2023
    Messages:
    5,818
    Likes Received:
    15,412
    Fair enough of this is the way it is, but I don't believe it's right that our DOF has such an influence
     
    #5815
    Sour Patch likes this.
  16. The Norton Cat

    The Norton Cat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2015
    Messages:
    8,181
    Likes Received:
    15,883
    Well, in at least the two ways that I suggested and there could be many more permutations to what a team discussion constitutes. I think its fairly normal for these things to be discussed and we have to be a little bit careful not to be jumping at shadows.
     
    #5816
    Nordic and Chunksafc like this.
  17. Chunksafc

    Chunksafc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2023
    Messages:
    5,818
    Likes Received:
    15,412
    Fair point and after a defeat orobly isn't the time for rational discussion on how it may work.

    That's aimed at me more than you btw
     
    #5817
    The Norton Cat likes this.
  18. Oliver's Army

    Oliver's Army Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2019
    Messages:
    32,230
    Likes Received:
    62,293
    It may we be mate, but is there any footage of a Dan Ashworth saying he helped pick the Brighton team with Potter when he was there or footage of Jason Wicox saying he helps Russell Martin pick the Southampton team?

    Speakman is a bit too 'front and centre' for me.
     
    #5818
    Dorset and Chunksafc like this.
  19. Sour Patch

    Sour Patch Guest

    That's where the issue probably lies. I do like how much we hear from him but not always what he actually says.
     
    #5819
    Oliver's Army and Chunksafc like this.
  20. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2019
    Messages:
    6,889
    Likes Received:
    12,597
    And described things we needed and got told we wouldn’t get them in the window
     
    #5820
    Chunksafc likes this.

Share This Page