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Match Day Thread Hull City v Birmingham

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Mar 3, 2024.

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City win?

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  1. Mckechnie Orange

    Mckechnie Orange Well-Known Member

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    He ain't the first and sadly won't be the last.
     
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  2. Mckechnie Orange

    Mckechnie Orange Well-Known Member

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    It did feel like a loss, but what angered me is we seemed to be in such control we got complacent. Not often that's been the case this year, but it's a little alarming considering the situation.
     
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  3. Kalman

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    He’s a more talented Marcus Maddison.
     
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  4. Evington

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    How many times do we see a meaningful crisp pass or cross into a dangerous area (6 yard box/penalty spot ). Very few I would say.
     
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  5. Clovis Iscariot

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    It’s all a bit Emperors New Clothes to me. Acun wanted exciting attacking football. Rosy in his post match conference said that being entertaining( apparently that’s what we were last night) isn’t enough, the team needs to be entertaining and win. Entertainment isn’t the be all and end all of a football match. A balance of entertainment and good results is the ideal mix. This style of play certainly isn’t entertaining. X% of possession, x number of passes blah blah. 4 minutes of injury time, Allsop has the ball, rolls it to Jones, square pass to Greaves, seconds ticking away, an age later we’ve reached the halfway line, you know the story. Rosy stating afterwards we should have won, no more excuses,but the buck stops with him. We’ve all heard it before numerous times this season. If he thinks that endless passing about with normally not even a hint of an end product is the way to go then fine, but don’t try and con us that it’s “ entertaining” football. The players are nearly always stationary when receiving the ball, where’s the movement, the instinct, where’s the style to get the crowd fired up and drive the team on so each feed off each other. We have a keeper, back four, then Seri and Morton holding hands with each other, then a gap to the wingers and I’d like to say striker but we don’t have one. The football is robotic, slow, predictable and mainly tedious.
     
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  6. Godrevy Buoy

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    Get the ball in the net more than the opposition and we will all feel entertained.
     
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  7. Mckechnie Orange

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    When direct football is bad, it's bad. When possession based football is bad, it's bad. When we win, all is forgiven and fans get ahead of themselves. When we lose it's a disaster with the usual predictions and gloom and doom.
    The majority of it is just noise and people venting in the grand scheme of things.
     
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    It's up to you what you do, but if you put these kind of people on Ignore you'll never see your comments being twisted. Try it, you can knock a few points off your blood pressure reading.
     
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  9. askewshair

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    Absolutely. Hopefully the other will come.
     
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  10. Gone For A Walk

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    Agree.
    Tbf, for a while in the first half I was quite enjoying watching our slick passing & possession .... but ..... as the half and then game wore on, I realised it was becoming 'same old', here we go again i.e. possession with no end product (hence my "it's a bit like Arse, but without any end product" post part way through the game). I could enjoy and be reasonably entertained, if there was end product and if the pratting about around & from the back wasn't so over-done.
     
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  11. askewshair

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    Weren't the last two seasons losses £21m last season and then £5m the season before? Therefore
    next season, we will be limited to £13m loss for this season, but then (just) £5m the season after?
    Our turnover will have increased massively post Allams, which obviously means we can spend far more for our £13m loss.
    And please don’t anyone accuse me of using o’level accounting, I started my working career as an accountant (and there’s a reason why I only lasted a year).
     
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  12. Gone For A Walk

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    It's primarily got to be Rosenior's fault!
    He obviously thought Delap + Connolly would give him this. And Oscar wouldn't. He was wrong. The major error was probably his 'trust' / 'belief' that Connolly would be reliable and sufficiently robust (his very own word) throughout the season, in spite of all the evidence suggesting otherwise.
    Then, to think that Sharp and Ohio would be sufficient (with his plethora of #10 types).
    Together with his continued failure to turn us into a highly effective attacking force, even with the talent we now have that he asked for and got in other positions.
    Others of course have degrees of accountability, but I honestly can't see how it can primarily be any body else's fault. And it's not something that has just recently happened due to 1 player being injured.
     
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  13. Mckechnie Orange

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    Some of the 20.5 m operating losses were offset by the KLP fee last year. So it wasn't anywhere near 13m in total, more like 5.5m last year for ffp and the 7.5m remainder can carry over to this year. 21/22 we posted a 14.2m profit, but that was due to a 20m write down of the allamhouse loan, which doesn't help our ffp, so that equates to a 5.8m loss for ffp.

    So last 2 years we have a 5.8m and a 5.5m loss in PSR terms.

    This year we'll have lost significantly more, but then revenue will also be more, so as long as operating losses don't increase much then we can stand similar losses of around 20.5m without encroaching on next years theoretical headroom and that's without directly relying on player sales.

    Though I accept both player sales and owner investment will be fundamental to the longer term sustainability of the current model.

    Based on the inferences made from club sources - the direct rebuttals made to scaremongering on the internet, the fact we're still in the ownerships probationary period leading to enhanced EFL accounting scrutiny and the chief exec directly stating we don't need to sell to continue investment leads me to believe there will still be clear headroom next season, and then there's obviously the likelihood we'll be fielding offers for Jaden in summer too. 13m headroom to me seems perfectly plausible, could even be a conservative estimate.

    Obviously that's only a point of contention if you've been the board oracle, espousing a high pressure **** or bust narrative all season, willfully ignoring direct counter-statements from the chair and vice chair that they will be investing to a similar level next season, and seemingly believing they know more than the club themselves do in order to persist with it.
     
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  14. Mckechnie Orange

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    How much of this season has Oscar been fit for again? How many goals has he scored?
     
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    Butterfly flaps it's wings .....
    In 22/23 season he played 38, scored 13
    In 21/22 season he played 33, scored 16
    Decent.
    Who knows what would have happened this season had he stayed. Likely a much safer bet than any of Connolly, Sharp or Ohio.
    Irrespective, Rosenior let him go. Replacements in summer and in winter were nothing like sufficient. Plenty on here worked that one out well in advance.
     
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  16. Mckechnie Orange

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    We've spread the goals around more this season compared to last. Quite sure it will represent a net gain of goals across the forward line by season's end.

    That's been the effect of this season's recruitment. Better than having a single player who's been injured most of the time.
     
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  17. Evington

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    I've just caught a short interview with Nigel Clough on East Midlands Today. Talking about Mansfield and the link with their supporters.

    They lost at home last night but this, to me at least, is telling.

    Nigel Clough used the term "it's an exchange of energy" when talking about the relationship between the team and the supporters. He went on to liken it to a music concert and how each party feeds off the energy of the other.

    Seems to me it must be like that at Ipswich too.

    Interesting or not?
     
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    Oscar’s two goals in 2023 would have made all the difference
     
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    Most of my family and there’s a few of them plus others like the quality of our football , we have players with east natural ball control in the main. If we haven’t got strikers then it IS Liams job to turn a couple of those ‘10’s’ into temp strikers , get them to run into the box , run off the ball , make over laps and under etc
    The biggest issue that teams find it easy to defend against us because Jaden is not a winger , if he gets the ball on the sideline his first instinct is to beat a man or three , by the time he’s paused , the oppos defence is back only takes 5 secs or less - so if he dwells the chance is often lost - sometimes the ball . He needs to get more running ball and run himself with players supporting - the ball MUST be played earlier .
     
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  20. AcunsBurnerAccount™

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    Norwich winning already
     
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