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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by FellTop, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. Bob the Mackem

    Bob the Mackem Well-Known Member

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    thats what i mean mate
     
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  2. Comfy

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    Don’t mind him personally but think he should step back as 1st team coach, him and proctor seem to be good coaches so let them help with the coaching. A new man coming in should always bring his own number 2 in to be 1st team coach
     
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  3. Wayne the Punk

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    If the bits I scanned in The Echo,today it looks like Dodds wants it, please god no!
     
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  4. Comfy

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    Hope not, not good enough to be a head coach/manager.
     
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  5. Dave_39

    Dave_39 Well-Known Member

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    well one thing for certain we will go cheap as always with our owners
     
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  6. Sour Patch

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    You got some factual evidence to back this claim up?
     
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  7. Dave_39

    Dave_39 Well-Known Member

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    look at the record man every head coach has been the cheap option

    Alex Neil was cheapest option was out of work did good left us in the ****e way he left

    Tony Mowbray cheapest option out of work did good job

    Micheal Beale cheapest option was ****e and dont believe Speakman for one second saying he was first choice

    and for the record i hope they prove me totally wrong in summer but wont hold my breath
     
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  8. Sour Patch

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    I asked for factual evidence, you've given me nothing of the sort.

    Most manager/head coach appointments these days are out of work, something like 70%.

    Is sacking two head coaches in the same season the cheap option? The cheap option would've been giving Dodds the job in December.

    Question the decision making all you like, it's fully deserved, but don't make unsubstantiated claims and pass them off as fact. It makes the fanbase look stupid.
     
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  9. Smug in Boots

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    Neil and Mowbray had both taken clubs up to the PL and were quite capable of finding a post in the Championship ...

    ... they proved that with Stoke and Birmingham.

    They're established managers so obviously well paid.

    Does anyone really believe there weren't hundreds of cheaper options?
     
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  10. Sour Patch

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    Maresca - Assistant at Man City
    Farke - Out of work
    McKenna - Assistant at Man Utd
    Martin - Swansea
    Corberan - Out of work
    Rosenior - Out of work
    Wagner - Out of work
    Lowe - Plymouth
    Robins - Out of work
    Ismael - Out of work
    Manning - Oxford
    Carrick - Out of work
    Bulut - Out of work
    Foster - Assistant at Al-Ettifaq
    Eustace - Out of work
    Williams - Notts County
    Mowbray - Out of work
    Breitenreiter - Out of work
    Harris - Cambridge
    Cifuentes - Hammarby
    Schumacher - Plymouth
    Röhl - Out of work
    Richardson - Out of work

    The current other 23 managers/head coaches in the championship. Just 7 of them came from other manager/head coach jobs.
     
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  11. TopCat.

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    Christ, not this **** again! How many times in the last 40 years have we paid compensation for a manager to take him from another club?

    Does this supposed "cheap option" always result in failure? Does selecting the right man, who happens to be out of work mean it's the "cheap option"?

    How much compensation did we pay for Peter Reid, Mick McCarthy, Roy Keane, Alex Neil or Tony Mowbray? Each one of them got us promoted, apart from Mowbray who massively over-achieved in his first season.

    You could also add Gus Poyet, Sam Allardyce, Martin O'Neil & Dick Advocaat as supposed "cheap options" who kept us in the PL against the odds.

    It's such a lazy narrative
     
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  12. TopCat.

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    For reference, the managers we have paid compensation for in the last 40 years have been:

    Denis Smith
    Steve Bruce
    Simon Grayson
    Jack Ross
     
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  13. safcyellowbelly

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    If Grayson was expensive then I would stick with cheap!
     
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  14. E.T. Fairfax

    E.T. Fairfax Well-Known Member

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    Could you imagine how much compo we'd had to have paid if we'd gone for Cholmondley-Warner
     
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  15. Bob the Mackem

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    Don't slag the owners FFS, some on here will alienate you as a bad person.
    I don't know if you heard OFFICIALLY today, Juan is looking to buy a club in Uruguay.
     
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  16. Smug in Boots

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    How does that affect Sunderland in any way?
     
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  17. FellTop

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    Club Nacional? Not a bad move at all for him really.
     
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  18. Sour Patch

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    Criticising the owners and anyone at the football club is absolutely fine as long as it's deserved and can be backed up with reasoning. Simply saying stuff like 'cheap option' or 'no ambition' is where the problem lies because you aren't getting into the crux of the issue, instead you are just chucking out buzzwords which will naturally rile people on both sides up.
     
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  19. FellTop

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    I think you could make a case for the Beale appt being one done with budgets in mind personally. The fact he had no assistant should have been a red flag to him, and more fool him for taking it really on that basis. We hear the press tell us we wanted Still but either his compensation or his demands over his coaching team caused us to move on, again arguably indicating a leaning to cautious use of money when it comes to coaching appointments. Then of course their is the wages we pay. I have no idea on that score to be honest, but you might guess Neil got more at Stoke.
     
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  20. The Norton Cat

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    That's wrong. Sartori is NOT looking to buy a club in Uruguay. He is trying to be elected President of Club Nacional.

    Nacional are run along similar lines to Barcelona and club members can stand to be elected to positions within the club. Sartori is well known as a Nacional fan and has been a member for 6 years. Usually you need to have been a member for 8 years to stand for president.

    If anything, this could be beneficial, forming links between the two clubs.
     
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