Match Day Thread Sheff Weds v Bristol City

even winning next 3 wont cut it allowed to many teams between us and 6th.. best we can hope for now is 12th on GD [ included as pts may be for 3 or 4 teams! ]

 

Neither did Nige with 15+ years of managerial experience. Yet you think he was the messiah, we were in 15th place when he got fired, a point you seem to forget…

 

We won’t be top 6 until funds are released, or better recruitment. If we keep buying only kids and L1/2 players, how can we hope to improve.

 

I’m as upset and disappointed with the last 2 results as anyone - and I saw them coming.
However, I’m not panicking yet. The league is so tight that anyone - even us - could still mathematically make the playoffs if they put a string of results together.
I actually like LM’s style that he tries to get us playing. We have proved that we can match the good sides on our day. It’s beating the strugglers that we seem to be unable to do and that has been our Achilles heel for season after season - it’s not just a Liam problem - we had it under Nige, Deano, LJ and even Cotts during his short time in the Championship with us.
We don’t like being favourites to win.
Vs Cardiff the odds will be more even - but it’s a local derby so even more difficult to predict.

 

It’s not the loss so much of the last two games, it’s the manner of the loss that bothers me, we’ve been awful.,we’ve also lost the togetherness we had under Nige. Yesterday we were all over the place. We have to improve, and quickly. It was a Holden type performance, which is very worrying

 

Sorry, you’re wrong BCFC, under Nige we beat everyone with free flowing beautiful football, all on a shoestring budget. How dare you say otherwise….

 

Obviously we weren’t, but within the context of clearing up the ****show he inherited we did reach our points target each season. There’s still 12 games to go, but I’m not convinced this season Manning is going to achieve that, are you ?

 

Errr 2 points of playoffs when he was unexpected removed from his position.

 

A point. Few points off the play offs. With a team that was fundamentally organised, hard working, and hard to beat. Those fundamentals may be slipping.

 

We can talk all we want about who is to blame and was it this manager or that one but the only constant in our life is the failure to achieve. Lee did this and Nigel did that is only a factor when it comes down to results and continued improvement shown under various leaders and systems, but we have never got there yet despite all the rhetoric spouted. The basics in my mind are that we have an owner and his son who will not listen to the cries coming from the supporters in regard to what may be needed to get us consistently further up the food chain. We have a propensity for employing less than average players, probably due to the ridiculous prices demanded, and if you consistently demand more from less then you are set up for failure. The number of potential managers out there in our wage scale are virtually non-existent and if you do find someone of note you then proceed to choke them to death with false promises that you expect them to explain to the supporters as facts of life. Given the well proven lack of empathy from the Lansdowns we are never going to find a road to success unless the fall guy running the football on the pitch side of the equation can turn manure into gold in quick order, and I regret to say that Liam will never be that messiah and neither will his inevitable replacement. Overall our situation will continue to be less than average at best and the merest thought of redemption will be earmarked by totally unfathomable decisions from the top, which is the main reason we continue to wallow in the mire.

 

What points target was that? I don’t ever recall it being made public?

 

If the season had finished the day he left, we were 15th, the amount of points are irrelevant, it’s league positions that count.
I agree it was unexpected, but that seems to be the MO for Sir Steve. NP probably should have been sacked the season before, most chairmen would have, but he kept him on. Same with LJ, he should have gone before he did. Both had really bad patches they survived, and sacked when they should have been given a bit longer.

 

Your right it was position not points, keep us in the Championship without being in a relegation fight, this season mid table, top 10 preferably, which at the time he left was well within our grasp. We all know that was nothing to do with his departure

 

It's weird that our performances v the likes of West Ham, Forest and Southampton with the players we have was pretty spot on in my book.....
On the other hand, v QPR and Shef Wed.....they were bloody dreadful in comparison......
And the problem isn't the opposition we face but our own performance as a team........
It was a congested set of fixtures but shouldn't be an excuse.....as the rest after the QPR game didn't help the cause..
Only excuses I can find, is tiredness for QPR game and dreadful playing surface on Saturday........best I can do
With the current set of players we have.....a vast improvement v Cardiff is a must otherwise the fans will start to get restless with LM..
I have high expectations!!! (be positive)

 

Morning 1For, quite a few are already restless, but like you I'm not as yet. It'll be the Autumn that will be the flash point.
My worry is LM seems a bit John Major like....grey. Tbf it's very early to have that connection with the fans as Pearson (barring Supcon) enjoyed. GJ and Cotts had it (Klopp certainly has it) and its something I believe essential for success.
Anyway, I hope Twine and the team mojo return this weekend.

 

I didn't see the game at the weekend, and it doesn't explain all of the poor performances , but I think city are a much better side with Matty James in it. From memory there were some games under Nige where we really struggled and they also coincided with James missing

 

For me the most important player on the pitch-when he plays well city play well.

 

Took me a while to warm to Nige as I was always a bit weary of his mood swings....also spoke a good game but if I'm honest never really delivered come the end.....put it this way....with his vast experience, knowledge and hype I expected a lot more.....and I don't want to start an argument regarding budgets......, I still felt with the players at his disposal should have done a lot better....And popular to RR's beliefs, I didn't think his tactics and decision making were all that.....all quite negative IMO.
I actually think that LM is tactically better but doesn't always seem to get his ideas over to the players.....I'm a bit worried as I believe "you know who" was a bit like it...........said on several occasions.....tinkered.....................................................hope I'm wrong..
If LM transfers his ideas into the players and produce performances that of v Southampton, Watford, West ham and Forest.....the fans would soon have that connection..

 

I’m with you on most of this - although I wasn’t wanting Nige to go and was astonished and alarmed when he did.
I am not sure LM is ‘tinkering’ much - most of his changes have been forced through injuries and bans.
Regarding ‘you know who’ and ‘tinkering’, I seem to remember lots of moaning about him shuffling the squad about and when we stuffed Derby 3 or 4-0 (I can’t remember the exact score) and looked a really good unit - he kept the same squad and formation for the following game which we promptly lost!!!
It seems old habits die hard! Some things don’t change!!