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Match Day Thread Birmingham City v Sunderland AFC – Saturday 17th February 2024 - KO 15:00

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by RTB, Feb 15, 2024.

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Your Prediction:

Poll closed Feb 17, 2024.
  1. Home win

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  3. Draw

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  1. Teessidemackem

    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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  2. Canaletto

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    You could be right Redbaron right, but they aren't paid to play for Beale, they're paid to play for the Club - and damn privileged to be too.
     
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  3. Pure River Slut

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  4. Wayne the Punk

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    No idea how we could beat them 3-1 earlier in the season, funny that
     
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  5. Nig

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    Fair comments and I imagine it is a hard job trying to get the right balance. It's easy to sit and watch and make judgement especially in hindsight.
    He's obviously a decent coach and hopefully he can get the tactics and selections right.

    My fear at the moment is if he is confrontational with players and alienates some.
    Like Parkinson with McGeady.
    All hearsay for now though.


    If we start dropping down the table then I think he'll be gone at the end of the season, if not before.
     
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  7. WorkyTicketFTM

    WorkyTicketFTM Well-Known Member

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    To be fair the in depth data on FM is insanely accurate these days and it’s pretty similar to sites like capology so it’ll be there or thereabouts
     
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  8. The Norton Cat

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    Criticism and heavy scrutiny comes with the territory, being a manager/head coach. I often think that criticism of managers by fans lacks an understanding of what the role really entails and what managers can and can't control. I sometimes think people imagine football to be like a game of FIFA and the manager controls every aspect of each player's movements and actions. People tend to only look at things in a surface level way and don't consider what's gone on behind the scenes.

    In a lot of cases, it seems to me, the criticism of Beale has taken that to the extreme. Some real nonsense has been spoken about him that's based on nothing. Even some of the description of what's happened during games has left me thinking that I must have been watching an entirely different game.
     
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  9. Smug in Boots

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    Sorry for taking so long to respond, I was trying to figure out with was the daftest part of your post. I still can't decide so I've highlighted both ...

    ... while I'm trying to decide perhaps you could say what you class yourself as.

    If I had to guess I'd say 'a realist' <laugh>
     
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  10. Smug in Boots

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    At some point yesterday, when we were doing well, I asked if anyone had any problem with our starting eleven, set up, tactics, etc ...

    ... nothing.

    As soon as Birmingham scored some could 'see it was coming', were unhappy with everything and knew exactly where we were going wrong.

    I thought we were the better team until their lucky equaliser tbh.
     
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  11. The Norton Cat

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    I tend to consider myself quite pessimistic when watching our games. Every misplaced pass, loss of possession, missed shot (and so on) bothers me much more than if I was watching a game as a neutral and I assess us as being much worse than I would assess a team playing the same way if I was watching in the capacity that I do for my non-league club.

    That being the case, I can only agree with your assessment. I was happy enough with the first half. Second half though, there was a drop in intensity, especially from the midfield.
     
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  12. Mackem-Tiz

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    I'd class myself as didn't want Beale in the first place. But I don't blame him I blame KS.
     
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  13. Smug in Boots

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    So, not a happy clapper then?

    While you're on can you explain how and when I 'normally stick up for Beale' ...

    ... and you guess how fcking happy I am today.
     
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  14. Mackem-Tiz

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    I've never been a happy clapper! I try to be in the middle. I know you will be as gutted today as all of us. But you are well known as being on the positive side and tried to be upbeat about MB...which in a way is to your massive credit.
    It's just not happening mate.
     
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    I think I was more angry than gutted yesterday. We had a decent first half but for some reason we just didn't match those levels of the first half - and they weren't even that high! Jobe seriously pissed me off by trying to score the worldy against 3 defenders when Clarke was in miles of space on his own. He and Ekwah for being big lads stroll through games with no urgency. There just seems to no spark in the team for whatever reason and if that's because of the coaching or the players attitude I don't know
     
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    I'm not upbeat about Beale, I haven't decided because I don't kneejerk my way through life.

    You might choose to say it was 'happening' when we beat Plymouth, and fought back at Boro, but it's difficult to weigh things up carefully when so many people are screaming hysterically. That's the reason I kept off here yesterday.

    There's one thing that it clear. Supporters screaming hysterically about Beale won't help the team one bit ...

    ... nor will it bully the club into sacking him.

    The club will sack him, if they see fit, just as they did with Johnson when he had us higher in the table than Neil finished.

    People love to believe they're being proactive, and making a difference, by stamping their feet on here ... breaking news, they're not. What they're actually doing is making themselves feel better by banging on to other people they feel superior to.

    Being optimistic isn't a curse, most football clubs never win anything.
     
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    Isn’t that down to having to just deal with what we have though? We’ve all said for months the midfield doesn’t work and it wasn’t an area targeted in a ****e transfer window which we’ve seen no real improvement. Not sure people are going to highlight it when every line up is announced when there’s nothing that can be done until the end of the season unless Evans is fit
     
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  18. Wayne the Punk

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    O'Nien into midfield, its in plain view to everyone
     
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  19. Smug in Boots

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    It's just a tedious and endless litany of blame tbh.

    Blame Mowbray then Beale. If that fails blame Speakman. If that fails blame KLD.

    In December Ipswich were top of the table, 10 points clear of third place and flying.

    They're now in the play-offs and have blown their chances of the top two ... who's to blame?

    Not everything in football can be planned like Football Manager ...

    ... players can't be made to come and don't always perform when they do.

    Ipswich have put themselves into massive debt and are now in a promotion lottery.

    I suspect most of our supporters would happily spend then spend again ...

    ... then spend again if that didn't work.
     
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    https://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-news/44710/town-announce-�12.6m-loss

    Ipswich aren't a million miles from our debt levels and its owed to their owners, same as ours is, apart from the ipswich owners converted it into shares, ours isn't yet which gives us ffp wriggle room if needed
     
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