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Off Topic Hull City Centre Public Realm Strategy

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by originallambrettaman, Jun 8, 2015.

  1. Gone For A Walk

    Gone For A Walk Well-Known Member

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    We have enough scum of our own without leaving ourselves wide open as we have been doing to scum from elsewhere.
    The madness surely has to stop.
     
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  2. tiptoe through the kempton

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    Went today, really enjoyed it, brought back some memories.
     
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  3. Jim the Tiger

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    It shouldn't offend anyone but someone will give it a shot I am sure. Its not racist to talk about facts. Rapists come in all shapes and sizes, colours and creed.

    Hull, as well as most big towns and cities, has been a dangerous place late at night for a long time. If my missus is out I purposely stay sober so I can pick her up or go out too and meet her later on. I'm lucky being the size I am that I dont really get much hassle but I know lads who have been attacked, and one was even mugged, without any provocation or interaction first. Society has created monsters of all ethnic backgrounds. Violent thugs, sexual predators and thieves.

    Opinion on what is happening at the Royal Hotel is probably best not discussed on here as that is likley to bring an argument but whichever way you think on that subject there is no denying that the City centre has become a cesspit in recent years and the residents of the hotel are not the only problem.
     
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  4. Cityzen

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    The three in that article were not residents of the hotel. But there is no denying that different attitudes tip-off women lead to some minorities being disproportionately involved in these sort of crimes.
     
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  5. Jim the Tiger

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    I mentioned the hotel because I have seen on two occassions large groups of men coming out late at night and walking with purpose towards Spring Bank. I made a point of going back the same way the first time I saw it because the sheer numbers made me wonder if something was going to kick off and I was being nosey.

    I mentioned this to a copper friend and he told me they know all about the late night 'walks' and its of real concern when there are so many young girls in vulnerable states around Prinny Ave, Newland Ave and the town centre. You can see them for yourself if you're around the Station side of town late at night, there is an air of menace. My wife has been hassled in the car park at the back too when she brought a late train in recently.

    And before any fingers are pointed I am not suggesting all of the people in the Hotel are rapists, just some real concerning behaviour surrounds the place. And when you add in the bagheads and wannabe gangsters with their tracky bottoms tucked in their socks swarming around the town it is not a nice place to be if you're a woman or an older person.
     
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  6. TIGERSCAVE

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    One time of day leaving whatever venue in Hull, I had a choice, kebab or taxi home to west Hull. Often the kebab won and I walked home, saying good night to lots of girls that I knew that were 'safely' walking. home, peeling off in different dire actions. Now, any father, husband or boyfriend should be as vigilant as JTT getting family home safe..,.
     
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  7. PLT

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    Is that actually true? Genuinely interested to know if there are any figures anywhere to support this. I know that it's a popular stereotype among a certain political demographic but I'd be interested to know if there's any factual basis in it.
     
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    There's one country left in Western Europe that records and publishes ethnicity data regarding crime stats - that's Norway, where the SSB (central statistic bureau) has complete freedom and control of what it records, without the influence of politics.

    Between 2010-2020, men committed 99.999% of rapes.
    Migrants with less than 8 years residency committed 80% of 'stranger' rapes and 70% of gang rapes. Mainly men originating from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Somalia involved.

    To balance it out, Romanians made up 50% of shoplifting convictions, Polish made up 40% of drink driving and Norwegians made up 80% of *****philia and 95% of economic crime.

    These are the actual, recorded facts, no bias given - it depends on opinion if you want to extrapolate the situation to the UK or not.
     
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    A certain political demographic? Unless 82% of rapes or grooming gangs are white then some demographics are overly represented. If more than 6.3% of those involved are Asian then yes those groups are overly represented.
     
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    Better at night than Bilbao. Or so someone said.
     
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  11. PLT

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    Well yeah, that's my question really.
     
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    So, my question is do you have evidence that it is less or more?
     
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    No. That's what I was asking for.
     
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  14. balkan tiger

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    1980s often spent up in town or missed last bus and walked home to NHE. Bev road was the usual all the way to endike or greenwood. Can't remember a single instance of getting any grief despite being obviously blathered.
     
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  15. Gone For A Walk

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    Even if it was proportionately less (which it almost certainly isn't, we will pretty much mirror Norway) it's abhorrent crime that we've imported that shouldn't be happening on our streets. I'm sick of seeing stories about rape, stabbings, sex trafficking, drug dealing etc involving people who simply should not be here. And then those that are eventually caught often end up in UK prisons at our expense. It's beyond madness. As said, we have enough of our own scum and societal problems to sort without importing from other countries.
     
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  17. originallambrettaman

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    Even if you assumed that every single Somali, Iraqi and Afghan in a UK prison in the last published figures (2022) was an asylum seeker, they'd make up 0.009% of the UK prison population. It's actually a tiny number, but obviously a handful of high profile cases have riled people up and the fact that they're not automatically deported at the end of their sentences is absolutely ridiculous.
     
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    Those so called 'high profile cases' are reason enough to highlight a broken system and are 'cases' (maybe more appropriate to call them deaths, rapes, etc?) that should never happen. Add to that the stories we hear repeatedly and with increasing regularity even in our own area and it's obvious to even a blind man that we have major problems.
    I don't know if it's still the case, but it was the case that the Home Office did not collate figures on crimes committed by asylum seekers and immigrants. Astounding. And convenient. Human Rights obviously.
    I don't have a raft of figures to qoute, (as I'm not absorbed by the topic, just extremely concerned not least for next generations) but any sensible person would reasonably assume that the stats quoted by HH for Norway are at least similarish to here.
    I have seen acknowledged data like:
    - 180 crime gangs speaking 24 languages responsible for 1/3 of all murders in London
    - 230 identified as terrorists allowed to stay in the UK, and requiring monitoring (old figures, now much higher)
    - Albanians now the main organisations behind UK drug operations and brothels, and associated people smuggling (someone said that was a good thing and praised them as they were typically less violent. Good grief).
    We have enough of our own scum without importing and allowing scum to stay from all over the world.
     
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  19. Cityzen

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    Norwegians make up 83.2% of the population so in everything mentioned they are under represented except economic crime.

    No reason to think that men from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Somali have a different attitude to women after arriving in the UK.
     
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    This Wiki page says 6.7 % for Somali, Iraqi and Afghans as a percentage of foriegn nationals jailed, currently just under 300 Somalis in jail, at approx 80k in jail thats approx 0.37 somewhat higer than 0.009 %. Some interesting but not surprising statistics on the Wiki page and yes its not always 100% accurate but gives a good overall picture on nationalities, ethnicity etc. Foreign nationals make up approx 12% of the prison population, thats a awful lot of suffering caused to victims that wouldn't otherwise of being the case if we didn't have open borders.

    Isn't it about time every single foreign national that has being imprisoned should be deported, isn't the first duty of a government to protect it's citizens ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_prison_population
     
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