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Head Coach Performance

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Downeys Loup, Jan 20, 2024.

  1. Coastal Dolphins

    Coastal Dolphins Well-Known Member

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    This was all so predictable, and expected based on his extremely limited management gigs.

    How on earth a custodian of safc thinks a bloke who has the following CV would ever be a good fit is beyond me.

    A. Never managed a full season before.
    B. Was recently sacked from rangers for taking them to the heady heights of 3rd in a 2 horse race with his club one of the 2 horses.
    C. Next to zero standing in the game as a respected ex player.
    D. Nobody following safc advocated this bloke as far as I'm aware.

    His man management was called out at rangers and is unfolding before our eyes as the wheels come off this squad. Absolutely convinced they could barely have made a worse appointment and that's not hindsight as a young squad and an out of depth academy coach with woeful man management skills is an absolute recipe for disaster in a football sense.

    Speakman seems to want to surround himself with small characters and has to split or avoid people with more understanding and experience than him. Breathtaking arrogance is the reason imo and totally misguided.

    And he displays anti leadership qualities just to top things off.
     
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  2. Chunksafc

    Chunksafc Well-Known Member

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    They may be more he can do, but without reinforcements coming it's a huge ask

    Edit. I haven't seen anything to suggest Beale can get it right here, he's had 2 full weeks with the squad and we have gone backwards.
     
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    He may not have been here long, but he’s been long enough to have an impact on us going backwards.
     
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  4. The Norton Cat

    The Norton Cat Well-Known Member

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    This has absolutely no bearing on someone's ability to coach at the highest level and has been proven both ways (great managers having had little to no playing career and great players being appalling managers) time and time again.
     
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  5. Coastal Dolphins

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    Aye but when you add it to the other facts it's another negative - there's literally nothing saying this is a good move for Safc - we have another academy/junior coach added to Dodds and proctor who are similar - no wonder the players don't know wt is going on during the game.
    This will unravel so quickly and won't be arrested until speakman admits he's messed up or is shown the door along with Beale and we look at the way the club is run if the owner is serious about moving safc forward.
     
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  6. The Norton Cat

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    But Beale isn't an academy/junior coach. He was, but hasn't been for a number of years. Same with Proctor. Even if they are junior coaches, getting the message across to kids is arguably harder than it is to senior players. And even then, we have a lot of young players in our squad who may respond better to coaches who are more familiar dealing with youth players.
     
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  7. J Flash

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    I was massively underwhelmed and disappointed when we got him, not because of how he looks, talks or where he’s from but because of the CV he had. He hadn’t earned to be given the job at for me was one of the most exciting jobs in England (especially outside the prem). That said I had similar feelings with Mowbray (nowhere near as strong mind) but was proven wrong and last season was my most enjoyable following the lads.

    I was willing to give him a chance, undoubtedly appears to have a decent rep as a coach, he’s received a lot of plaudits and hoped this would be a good structure for him to succeed. I’m surprised by how poor we’ve been under him, the stats showing regression are actually unbelievable that they could even be achieved. I’d be absolutely fine if he went today. I’d guess if we lose the next 2, especially with poor showings, the clubs hand will be forced by the fan reaction.

    My worry with it is though, if the pool of managers we looked at included Beale, and he was the top choice of that group, then I dread to think who we go for next. Someone like Cooper sounds sensible but is he realistic? Doesn’t feel like it at the moment.
     
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  8. Downeys Loup

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    If the style of play isn’t right that is where Speakman should come in. Believed idea was you swap out the coach but keep playing the same style. 2 wingers, high press, attacking football. Beale isn’t delivering that and needs a rocket up the proverbial which is Speakman’s responsibility. If Speakman isn’t doing that buck moves to KLD. A performance culture needs accountability.
     
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    Somebody who is better than me at techy stuff hoy the Michael Beale parody interview up off You Tube. Scarily close to the truth :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  10. The Norton Cat

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    Disagree to an extent about his CV. Its very good and he's coached for some massive clubs and done well. What his CV might be pointing to though, is that he's better as a number 2.
     
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  11. Coastal Dolphins

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    It's not very good at all. It's inexperienced and mediocre at best.

    The fact is he hasn't completed a season as a manager/HC anywhere.
    Won 9 lost 8 at QPR.
    Sacked by rangers when they were 3rd behind Celtic by 7 points and St mirren by 3 points.

    That is not a good CV for anyone being lined up to be safc manager/HC.
     
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    Was warned he would deflect everything and twist situations to blame others On top of throwing players under the bus last few games He puts it on the fans
    On Beale out chants “It’s the first time I’ve faced it.” Rubbish he got worse every week at rangers
    “I’m doing my best with the staff I’ve got”. Not his fault then down to Dodds and co.
    I’m starting to see why Rangers fans really disliked the man

    These are all the things you’d expect from an outgoing manager who’s been here too long and is struggling not someone who has barely put his foot in the door Up there with Moyes we are in a relegation battle

    Desperate to give the lad a chance but this is not going to end well
     
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  14. Stranded in Lugano

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    He has to go. He was never the right choice and I can’t see him ever convincing the fans. Sometimes the best you can do is fail fast.

    There are loads of rumours doing the rounds about issues behind the scenes. No idea how true they are but we could do with some of them being true(rumours of physical confrontation) so we could put all the blame of Beale and not the club being a basket case with clueless leadership.
     
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    Unbelievable comments. He is a weed. Imagine trying to change the narrative when everyone is booing you to say we need to support the players more.

    Weak and zero leadership.
     
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  16. J Flash

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    Yeah, I meant CV in the sense of being the main man, especially at a club our size. Probably the best structure for someone like him to succeed with how he only has the coaching element to deal with rather than all the transfers etc like a standard ‘manager’.

    Tbf if we’d got another manager in and he joined as first team coach or assistant I think people would have been happy.
     
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    YouTube has a 'post video from the future' option now? Cool!
     
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    I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I want him to be given a bit more time to see if he can make it as gaffer.

    He is still getting to know the squad and what ability and strength each player has.

    I just think it's a bit premature to be pulling the trigger, but understand the frustrations of a percentage of our fans.

    Having said all that, I think he has three games to save his job. If he has poor results against Stoke (h), Boro (a) and Plymouth (h) I think he'll be shown the door before the Huddersfield (a) game on the 14th Feb, where hopefully, there won't be a Valentine's Day massacre. :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  19. sheepman

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    Politian speak. Like "I'm sorry if what I said offended you"
    No apology just puts it back on you for being offended.

    Does this sound familiar from a man who claims he hasn't experienced it before
    Note they are booing the team not him
     
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