I know that somewhere else there was a discussion about this but it seemed to get bogged down in a discussion about Baden Powells mother. Was getting concerned about the exit of Walsh and its effect on the recruitment of players. However looking at his record it does not seem that much of a problem. Hobbs, Fryatt--NP and he knew them from there Leicester days, not exactly Poirot type sleuthing. Brady, Stewart, Dungeon, Evans and to a lesser extent Chester--Man U and Joyce recommendations Koren--NP et al knew him from WBA days, same comment as Hobbs etc, applies Rosenoir-was looking for a job Mclean-like him a lot but scoring record poor Mckenna-may be we can count him as a capture for Walsh, but with his years in the game was a known quantity to lots of scouts and managers Abedola-not exactly a find Harper-knew him from Leicester Simpson-not done too well at City So I cant say that Walsh actually found a bunch of diamonds in the rough. This does not negate the fine job NP et al did in assembling the squad just indicates that perhaps Steve Walsh's scouting skills were over rated or just never panned out for City.
James Harper never played for Leicester. Sheffield United and Reading yes, but not Leicester. He's far too good for them
But how do we know for fact Joyce recommended all the young man u kids to us? I honestly can't see that happening, more likely Walsh scouted them and our Joyce link made it easier for deals to go through.
He undoutbedly got us some decent players. But scouting doesn't even apply to the majority of our transfers. Any half decent lower league player is picked up by the media and football nation as a whole once they score a few goals. The only ones where scouting really applies to us is the young lads from big clubs. As Bob says, we can't say for sure why they ended up here or who is to thank but it's not as if other teams that don;t have Steve Walsh haven't signed any PL youngsters over the past year or so, Blackpool and Burnley have got a few between them. I think the best thing about the NP regime was the priority of signing players with real passion and energy rather than players who think their big name alone will get them in the team, and fortunately it seems Barmby also has a liking for these players, as was shown on Saturday at Derby.
IMO, it was warren joyce and NOT walshie who got all the man utd kids to hull city. the fact that walsh has gone will not make a jot of difference in that area. hobbs,fryatt,waghorn were already know to NP and co. to be honest its hard to find what gems they have actually brought to hull city. i would say that Nicky Barmby will already have his own targets and Adam P will know some of the ones NP and co were after. So i dont see any issues on this area what-so-ever. whisper is quietly, but maybe just maybe Steve Wigley can help sway the Nicky Maynard deal in Jan. dont tell olm. he is still over the kilgallon deal going sour
Don't worry, if one wants to make oneself look a penis, that is entirely ones own choice, it is of no consequence to me.
I posted about some of his finds Hope Apkin Amoooooo Belaid Gulacsi Bostock Im sure theres more we had on trial. I dont buy into him been a great talent spotter The Man U Youth team cup winners are pretty sure to have some decent players he didnt find them Man U did.
oh dear. a bit touchie are we ? nothing wrong with having quality targets no matter how remote it may seam. only time will tell but i dont see walshie going as that big an issue.
I seriously don't think Joycey turned up at our door and said "here ya are lads take these boys on the cheap they're all amazing" just because he played for and managed us and saved us from relegation one season. If that was the case why haven't we had teams full of man utd starlets before now, and before that teams of Leeds utd kids. Also it's not up to Joyce who goes where and at what price, first SAF would have to sign any deal off then the board would have to agree to it, Joyce wouldn't play any part. And even if he was manager there he'd hardly give them out on the cheap just because he played and managed here once, football may be a game but it's also a business. I find it much more likely that Walsh spotted all these players and we went for them, and Joyces input would have been selling the club and the city to the players we chose telling them it's a good place to go. I seriously think alot of people on here make far too much of the Joyce link...
I seriously don't think Joycey turned up at our door and said "here ya are lads take these boys on the cheap they're all amazing" just because he played for and managed us and saved us from relegation one season. If that was the case why haven't we had teams full of man utd starlets before now, and before that teams of Leeds utd kids. Also it's not up to Joyce who goes where and at what price, first SAF would have to sign any deal off then the board would have to agree to it, Joyce wouldn't play any part. And even if he was manager there he'd hardly give them out on the cheap just because he played and managed here once, football may be a game but it's also a business. I find it much more likely that Walsh spotted all these players and we went for them, and Joyces input would have been selling the club and the city to the players we chose telling them it's a good place to go. I seriously think alot of people on here make far too much of the Joyce link...
thats the point i made above. if Joyce had given Hull City the thumbs down then none would be here now.
I think you'll find touchie isn't a real word and even if it was, I wouldn't be it. Your repeated suggestion that we might sign Maynard is getting a bit tedious, on the HDM site I've seen TonyM suggest several times that we should sign Theo Walcott, neither will happen(queue Tickler saying 'let's just wait and see'). Anyway, feel free to carry on, I don't want you getting all flouchie.
I find it rather coincidental that Walsh targetted only Man U youngsters to buy, if it wasn't in the first place flagged up by Warren Joyce. Or why have not we seen youngsters that came from other bigger clubs proved to have been successful, such as Bostock/Hope Akpan/Amoo/Gulacsi, who hardly impressed. I suspect that Warren flagged them up first and Walsh went to see them.
I would see it the other way round, and the fact we got so many of theirs being because they had plenty of good talent available, so why not get them all, and it's paid off bringing a bunch who already know each other with them all helping each other settle and bringing a good bond into the club. Like I said if Joyce was turning up at our door offering us all these players, why has it only just began happening and not being going on since he got the job there in 2007? And before that why wernt we flooded with LUFC kids? I think Walsh would first have spotted one or two and Joyce made the deal easier by making their young players actually want to come here, so we went back for more.
In that case, you might as well suggest Inniesta or Xavi. Just make sure you remember to do it every couple of days.
Agree with Prehistoric Bob There is ABSOLUTELY no way Warren Joyce had anything to do with the Man U youth coming here. We built up the relationship with the club with the way we handled a certain F Campbell. We turned him from a raw talent to someone marketable enough for Sunderland to fork out £4m for him + add ons. Man U see us as a club who handle their youth players in the right way (as they do Carlisle too it seems) and this is why we have had so many. They know we have good facilities and as a result we now have Brady on loan and the possibility of others no doubt in seasons to come. The only spanner in the works now is possible Peterborough - they got another decent prospect (Ajose). It will be interesting to see who they allow Ravel Morrison to play for - rumoured to be the best of the lot. Joyce is certainly part of a fairytale around our fans - bordering on delusional IMO
Whilst I don't believe Joyce has everything to do with the Man Utd players we receive, I don't think his role in things can completely be rejected. To state his involvement is a fairy tale I think is a false statement. But in the end, nobody knows.
