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  1. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    I don't think that this is anything new.
    What were their equivalents from the previous generation?
    Terry Butcher, Trevor Francis, Glenn Hoddle and Ray Wilkins, perhaps?

    A lot of the best modern managers weren't outstanding players.
    Guardiola's probably the most obvious exception and Simeone might be the other.
    England appears to have stopped producing top managers in the 70s, unfortunately.
     
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  2. The Changing Man

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    The greatest England team the 66 wc winners produced 1 manager of note Big Jack and even then only really with the Republic. Alan Ball was the 66 equivalent of Fat Frank and Moore, Hurst and Charlton had very short managerial careers.
     
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  3. littleDinosaurLuke

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    There is little evidence to support the theory that being a top player has any positive bearing on being a manager.
    In fact, experience seems to show that it's a hindrance. My take on that is that the likes of Keane or Gerrard don't understand that the players they are working with don't have anything like their ability or drive. You can't just be the Pied Piper and expect others to follow your example. They may get respect for their feats as players, but not as managers. They are still seen as one of the lads. They come with nothing but their reputation as players.
    SAF is obviously the best example of a successful British manager of the PL era. His traits were similar to others who had succeeded before him. He was a strong personality and character. He knew how to organise and when to delegate - particularly regarding technical aspects of coaching and player recruitment. He was able to command respect and commitment. He was clearly in charge and above the players. He knew when to be authoritarian and when to be sensitive. He was grounded, down to earth, a family man and had life experience outside football. The culture and values he stood for meant trying to improve and develop the players as people, not just footballers. The environment created enabled the players to succeed. And he didn't have a successful playing career to point to to back him up. It takes a lot more than just inspiration based on what you've done yourself.
     
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    There were definitely stories about Hoddle and Zola not understanding average players.
    I think Hoddle was at Swindon and he was trying to explain how to ping a ball 50 yards to feet.
    Yeah, that's not how it works, Glenn! <laugh>

    Zola had to be asked not to train with West Ham when he was their manager.
    He kept embarrassing the players and it was hurting their morale and personal confidence.
     
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  5. The RDBD

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    The explanation is actually very simple :

    I tried to hit a 50 yd pass to feet. And I failed.
    And I tried again, And again. For years and years.
    And one day, I couldn't stop not failing to do it.
     
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  6. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Looks like Dortmund are trying to get Sancho back on loan.

    Sweet deal if they pull it off. Bag £75m for him and get him back on loan within a couple years.
     
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    I missed the liverpool game last night, how did Jota deal with being asked about taking a dive for the 2nd penalty, after all they wasted no time when interviewing Harry Kane
     
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  8. Diego

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    In fairness it was Jota's first dive, probably not experienced enough to comment on it.
     
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  9. Alfie Conn

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    He plays with Sala so he learned from the best
     
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    Diego's antigone bias runs so deep he's even defending united's hated rivals <laugh>

    #wouldpreferantonio
     
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  11. Diego

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    Not defending him mate, just pointing out that he's a novice at diving so can't really pass comment like Kane could.
     
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    It absolutely wasn't.
    He's not as committed to it as his compatriot Bruno Fernandes, but he dives all the time.
     
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  13. Diego

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    Bruno is **** at it, he's never got close to Kane standard or frequency.
     
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    He's the posterboy for diving. It's as embarrassing as your claims.
     
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    <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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    I remember Jacks Boro team which was about as much fun to watch as looking out the window watching the rain fall and like the present rain it seemed to last for ever
     
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    Invisiblinho (the defender with the greatest "dark arts" ) strikes again.
     
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    Brighton and Wet Ham draw. Good result for us.
     
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    Like i said, he's **** at it <doh>
     
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  20. remembercolinlee

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    Could have used Bruno as a way better example in fairness
     
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