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Match Day Thread Bristol City v Hull City

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Dec 19, 2023.

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  1. Howdentiger2

    Howdentiger2 Well-Known Member

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    I've not said he's overachieving and unfortunately the season doesn't finish at Xmas. All I've said is there's a real chance for us to challenge this season but I think Rosie's inexperience will cost us. Nothing more nothing less. I'm really not sure what you're getting so worked up about tbh
     
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  2. steverico

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    You must have loads of time on your hands
     
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  3. Mckechnie Orange

    Mckechnie Orange Well-Known Member

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    If he's out performing his budget and expectation, that's overachieving.

    I just don't see the rationale for the criticism. Simple as that.
     
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  4. Mckechnie Orange

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    Sunderland 2 down. We'll be top 6 at Xmas.

    *edit 3 now - keeper error <laugh>
     
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  5. HCAFCHangout

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    I mean points we had control and then points you had control I think that’s a fair assessment. We had chances that we should’ve put away to kill it off before your second but also our penalty was soft. Draw was probably a fair result but you lot took advantage of us with smart subs and our panic at the back

    Rosenior always comes out in the media protecting the players so I wouldn’t read too much into it.
     
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  6. Howdentiger2

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    Feel free to point out where I criticised him? I just said I think his inexperience will cost us this season.....

    In fact I said, his inexperienced but learning, also that I think he'll definitely have a career in and around this level.... Not exactly criticism is it let's be fair
     
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  7. Mckechnie Orange

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    It's a drum you've been banging since pre season, and I'm not seeing a foundation for it.
    I have no issue with you having your opinion, but don't expect it not to be challenged or called out when it's not really something that's been particularly evident so far.
     
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  8. Howdentiger2

    Howdentiger2 Well-Known Member

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    Our manager being inexperienced isn't my opinion, it's fact. That inexperience has been evident a number of times this season and in the transfer windows. But as I said....he's learning which is showing and it's good for us and him.
     
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  9. Mckechnie Orange

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    He's a head coach, not a traditional manager. Recruitment is ultimately not decided by Rosenior alone. It's a committee led recruitment policy. Nor does he set the budget. He's working to a brief and that seems to be a development brief focussing on youth.

    He would admit himself he's gaining experience in the role, but to me he seems more tactically astute than many of our recent managers and more often than not his in-game changes make a positive difference, unlike other more 'experienced' managers in the recent past.

    I'm not seeing inexperience as a factor in our current points return at all.
     
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  10. steverico

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    What we need is a stato to tell us how many teams in 6th place at Christmas actually got promoted
     
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  11. Mckechnie Orange

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    I'd suspect less than 1 in 4. But promotion was never an expectation this year. Top 10 and a playoff challenge is.

    All we can say about being 6th at the moment is that so far, we're over achieving on that expectation, and have been since the early weeks of the season.
     
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  12. Steven Toast

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    I think the fact that we're 6th means that the manager is doing a good job. We can't claim we should be higher, the pre season expectation was that we would be much lower, around mid table.

    What we've achieved so far has been impressive, even if the way we've gone about it sometimes has been baffling. I don't see a reason to complain, especially with a transfer window to add to the squad and shift a bit of deadwood.
     
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  13. NewcastleTiger

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    Hes definitely not out performing his budget. We have a top 6 budget
     
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  14. Mckechnie Orange

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    How many times in our history have we been 6th or above in the second tier at Xmas?

    When did we become so entitled?
     
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  15. HCAFCHangout

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    Think the general frustration (or at least for me is) somehow we could be around 4th with some things bouncing our way and some mistakes being ironed out. Everyone lamented how this championship was the best of all time when in reality its top heavy with the prem relegated 3 and a miracle run from Ipswich. Everyone from 5th downward seem inconsistent so its certainly up for grabs but its part of the journey.
     
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  16. HCAFCHangout

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    We have no clue what our budget is other than Acun saying previously we have a top 10 wage budget.
     
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  17. Mckechnie Orange

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    There's 6 parachute clubs for a start that we're definitely not higher than. Stoke, Sunderland, Boro all have higher turnover and are spending to FFP cap also.

    We're somewhere between 8th and 10th. Owner has said as much himself.
     
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  18. NewcastleTiger

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    I’d say we are definitely spending as a top 6 club. Player quality wise we are over achieving, but that’s as much down to how we are ran. Players like Coyle etc still being main figures shouldn’t really be the case after the money we’ve spent.
     
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  19. HCAFCHangout

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    Again we have no clue though. Acun has stated its about a top 10 wage budget and bar Philogene we haven't spent massive fees this past summer
     
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  20. tigers1970

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    Good player for us no doubt there....but out of his depth as a championship manager
     
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