J Barton

You are not the nicest person on the planet but thank you, and Keegan, for calling out women meddling in men's football especially at the highest level.
Ladies, play amongst yourselves by all means but stay clear of something you cannot have a clue about.

 

I find Barton far more offensive than women playing or commentating on football

 

I don’t like Barton, but I also don’t like women commenting on male football, I’m not at all sexist, it’s not personal just their high pitch voices get under my skin, it’s not the content, rather the pitch of their voices.

As regards women pundits, I prefer people that have actually played the game to a high level and have inside knowledge. I do watch women international matches and quite enjoy them, but it’s a different game altogether from the men’s game.

Therefore I don’t think men pundits on women’s football, or women on men’s is helpful as they are completely different.

 

As I’ve said before I’m also fed up reading football headlines when it’s no longer clear whether they are referring to Chelsea mens or Chelsea women’s teams for instance

I have absolutely no issue with women and girls playing football, I do actively encourage it,

But let’s not pretend, like the BBC appears to do, that Women’s football is on a par with men’s or of equal importance in terms of skill, interest or the money involved as it’s just not, and it’s an unfair comparison to the detriment of the men’s game.

But the whole reporting of football is just typical of the skewed times that we live in

 

Playing devils advocate I suppose the Beeb have to try to be even handed as women form a large part of their audience and a large part of society in general, that said in balance, I agree with your main point.

 

We all know about how biased and ‘inclusive/diverse’ the BBC are but I don’t see why it can’t be split into separate categories
I know it’s supposedly all ‘Football’ but when it comes down to it, it’s like comparing Apples and Oranges.
Going back to a previous post of yours there are more women reporters/pundits at men’s games on Sky on a Saturday afternoon than men.
Funny how men don’t fall over themselves to want to report on women’s football
Wonder why that is ?

 

I'm glad someone else started this thread as I have been absolutely ticked off at this female commentary on a men's sport, but not only that the 2 in question have certainly got the most annoying and abrasive voices for human consumption. I am now boycotting watching any game with either of those 2 commentators and I would hazard a guess that if the same rule were applied to women's football having only men commentating the woke world would have a say. This world where we are forced to apologize for everything that used to be by changing the dynamics that have worked for decades then I want out. The tide has turned on a lot of things that needed addressing but I am fed up with walking across multi-coloured crosswalks, having Christmas questioned, seeing women's football being likened to the men's game and especially, you've guessed it, women commentating on men's football. Rant over but thanks go to Redprintt for the chance.

 

Some of the play from womens game is quite fancy movements of ball and tackle avoidance! mThere was some very good movements / touch's in the Scotland England game

 

I can just about put up with a women commentating providing they don't start screeching.

But listening to a woman pundit makes my blood boil.

 

I agree with him.

What level is the female game v the mens? Are males from that level commentating all over the EPL, championship? No they are not, because they would be viewed as lacking the experiences, knowledge and standing. What is going on to the level it is, is box ticking.

 

how much football did comentators like john motson etc play..none, personally i quite like alex scott, she certainly talks more sense than joey bloody barton, sacked by rovers says it all.

 

Motty was a commentator not a pundit, they are different, a background in journalism is needed to be an effective commentator, pundits should be people who’ve played at a high level and understand the game in detail.

 

There is a joke there somewhere about Alex Scott, she's 5.4.

 

Barton is not on about the state (good or bad) of the woman's game. He has said positive things about the woman's game, and of course that's a good thing. However, Barton is on about who should be qualified to be a commentator, co-commentator and pundit in the men's game, and apparently woman can't be qualified to do this.

His original tweet said: "Women shouldn’t be talking with any kind of authority in the men’s game. Come on. Let’s be serious. It’s a completely different game. If you don’t accept that. We will always see things differently. The women’s game is thriving. Fantastic to see. I cannot take a thing they say serious in the men’s arena." https://x.com/Joey7Barton/status/1732535415033184443?s=20

Here's another: "Stand by everything I’ve said on Women commenting and co-comms on the Men’s football. Like me talking about Knitting or Netball. Way out of my comfort zone." https://x.com/Joey7Barton/status/1732692973052154130?s=20

And this one: "The Women’s game is absolutely thriving. Great to see. It’s got its own Premier League. It’s got its own Champions League. Please for the love of God, go and commentate on that! You can say what you want. You will be qualified to. You have actual experience of what is taking place." https://x.com/Joey7Barton/status/1732695130824446178?s=20

He is saying men should only be allowed to commentate or be a pundit in the men's game. And woman should only be allowed to do it in the woman's game. Personally, I think he is wrong. I think there are some really good male and females doing commentary or punditry in the men's game right now. There are also some crap ones too both, male and female. Your sex shouldn't determine if you are qualified or not. Your knowledge of the game should along with other things too of course. Bianca Westwood is in the men's game. She made the point that she wouldn't be able to do the woman's game because of her lack of knowledge there. She has only ever known the men's game. Watched it live every game as a little girl in the stadiums. She knows everything about the game, She's got all her qualifications to work on the men's game. She has worked her entire career in the men's game before getting her big break reporting on it. She deserves to be there and has every right to be there as someone certainly qualified like what Barton wants. But because she is a woman, she shouldn't have this opportunity? Barton saying on Piers Morgan show that women make mistakes in commentary or punditry that a men wouldn't make. What a load of crap. I watched the Spurs vs West Ham game Thursday evening. After a back pass from a Spurs player to the keeper was short and a West Ham player looked to get there first, the keeper slid along the floor head first and punched the ball away - clearly a back pass as the keeper shouldn't have used is hands. The ball eventually still ended in the net as the ref played on but the male commentator said it was a mistake by the Spurs keeper who should have collected the ball with his hand instead of punching, which would have saved his side from conceding. What a stupid error to make as a commentator. If he gathered the ball with his hands, he would have got sent off for denying a goal scoring opportunity as used his hands in a back pass. Because he didn't collect the ball and the ref played on, the keeper got away with it. That was a big error by the commentator who kept repeating it too. Basically, people make mistakes. It seems to Barton men don't or men are allowed but if woman do it, it ruins the game and shouldn't be allowed.

If he had said 'some woman' or even 'some woman and men' shouldn't be commentating or be a pundit because they are crap, I would be on board. But saying all 'woman' shouldn't do it and are not qualified is just wrong and maybe because I can't stand the prick too, I'm getting him wholeheartedly with this. He's probably made himself unemployable for the foreseeable too. Maybe he applied for a media role but got denied and got upset about it.

 

I will start by saying I hate the bloke too, but dealing with the points raised rather than who made them.

Whilst I can see your point about women who’s careers have been within men’s football (there really aren’t many), being able to comment about men’s football, they haven’t played at a high level within the men’s game, so for me they shouldn’t be pundits. It’s not about their gender it’s about their lack of experience.

As far as females commentators, I don’t like them. For me it’s not about their ability to commentate, and I agree they aren’t any more or less likely to make mistakes because of their gender, that is down to ability, which has nothing to do with gender. I just don’t like the pitch of their voices and that is down to their gender. Women generally have higher pitch voices, they just do.

 

For me, the dislike of a person’s voice extends to other broadcasters as well. A classic example for me is that of Owain Wyn Evans; his accent along with the pitch of his voice makes me switch off/turn over as soon as I hear him!!

 

There are a lot of male commentators/presenters/pundits in the men's game who have never played football so doesn't/didn't have the experience (like Motty for example) who do/did a better job than those who did play football at a high level (like Michael Owen and Dion Dublin). I don't think you have to had played the game to qualify. Some opinions of fans are better than some of those in the job - male or female.

I understand what you say about pitch of voice. There is a female commentator on match of the day whose voice makes me want to rip my ears off. Michael Owen's pitch ain't like that but it's is so boring that I look forward to the when the program goes to the adverts.

 

I see commentators and pundits as different from each other, a commentator doesn’t need personal knowledge of the game as such, but a pundit does, commentators commentate on what they see in front of them, pundits on the other hand give understanding and opinions, it’s a different skill set needed for both. Pundits in my view should have played to a reasonably high standard to have the knowledge and understanding of the game, tactics etc

 

Any pundits from Rovers southern league level???