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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Smug in Boots, Aug 30, 2022.

  1. Culinary

    Culinary Well-Known Member

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    I know I’m quoting myself here but I bow to your knowledge on this @Scout73 as you must assess the transferability (between leagues) when you’re watching players. If a player isn’t coming in from the Championship then what leagues do you think would be best recruited from to get Championship ready players?

    I know it depends on the individual but broadly speaking (if that’s possible?).
     
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  2. Culinary

    Culinary Well-Known Member

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    That actually is my one criticism (at the moment) of the recruitment. Bringing players in who don’t speak English with seemingly no real infrastructure in place to integrate them and translate for them.
     
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    Yep, you’ve summed that up very well.
    Good post.
     
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  4. Scout73

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    Really tough but you are looking at leagues that play with tempo. I like the german market as so much talent there and the tempo is good. South american markets are similar, Argentinian league is a good one as mixes physicality and technical ability

    Always about the player themself though, its about getting to know them a bit more to see if they have the personality to adapt to a new country
     
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  5. Culinary

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    Interesting that we’ve been having quite a few links to the South American leagues. I guess, as you say, it’s further from home and more of a culture shock for young lads from there though compared to, say, the German, Scottish or Scandinavian leagues.
     
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  6. Prehab26

    Prehab26 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly
     
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  8. FellTop

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    Some great commentary on this from all posters. I respect, but dont agree with, all opinions.

    You say it is bizarre the reaction to Mowbrays sacking by some. Is it only bizarre because you think he is hugely limited? I think the sacking is premature but it is because I dont think Mowbray is hugely limited by any stretch.

    There are some of us who think Mowbray is a very good coach and who was a tremendous fit for us. To discount our opinions as bizarre because folk think otherwise doesnt seem fair. If we think the sacking is the wrong decision I dont see why we should not say so or even question the rationale or the model. Since KLD has come in it has been almost all good, but not perfect. I have broad confidence in him and his team, and a desperate hope they get it right, but I do think we are allowed to question. After all, it is only a forum. If we all just agreed that all of the time this place wouldnt exist.
     
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  9. Culinary

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    You may have misinterpreted my post which is my fault. I find the attacking of KLD and Speakman and discrediting all they’ve done and achieved as a reaction to the sacking of Mowbray (also without acknowledging that it was them that brought him in in the first place (much to the same people’s derision at the time)) bizarre. Not those that rate him or wanted him to stay - I was torn myself on it.
     
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  10. FellTop

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    Fair mate, apols. :emoticon-0150-hands
     
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  11. Bob the Mackem

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    Look I don't have any issues with Kristjaan at all we speak on a regular basis.
    But the idea we are playing football to a plan based on our model is in my mind not flexible enough, the omission of Pritch shows that.
    But that's just 1 part of it.
    Look I ain't looking to argue with anyone, but I have my view same as the rest of us.
     
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  12. Monkey69

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    Dont most teams play football to a plan based around a model ?? and a quote like this would suggest that you don't like KS very much ' we just sacked the best manager we have had in years playing the best football in years over a Sporting director who loves himself to bits'.
    I get that people want to flex the model but the only thing I have seen from the club is that they do not want to be paying large sums of money for players over the age of 26 as the value invariably does not rise at end of contract as after 4 years they will be 31/32 and normally you would not maximize your investment at that time.
    I get that is business and not football and that if a really good 27 year old became available then would the model flex, I cant answer that as we have not seen evidence of it but I feel our recruitment has been good and may even bear greater fruit further down the line as the club grows and develops. If it does not then maybe you have a point but for me we have often trodden the same old path before and I am willing to give this new method a try as it couldn't end up much worse than where we ended up with the last couple of chancers and their toxic time at our club.
     
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  13. Bob the Mackem

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    I agree, but flexibility needs to come from everyone if we are to pull together.
    KS admits the timing was right to move TM on do you agree with that.?
     
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    TM paid with his job for his mistakes, KS has made plenty with our new strikeforce which ultimately cost TM his job. Surely he has to take his share of the blame and put his hand in his pocket and sort it out in January.
     
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    I think that tactically TM was starting to look very 1 dimensional and think that a change would have happened at the end of the season regardless so if it needed to be done then now was the time. I have a lot of respect for TM and was a little disappointed that he went but, I really feel like he had lost his way somewhat, but now he has left with a good reputation and the club can move forward again with the development of the team and the club in general.
    So yes I think on reflection it was probably the right time
     
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    I liked Mowbray and thought he was doing well. Good for the youth etc.
    Granted we are going through a bad spell of results atm. But what team/manager/club doesn't.

    It seems a knee jerk reaction from the outside, but then you never know what's actually happening inside.

    I'm happy with where we are now under KLD/Speakman, certainly from where we were.

    But will we ever get to where we want to be ? And hopefully the club doesn't lose it's identity getting there.
    There's a lot of soulless clubs these days due to money. And a lot in the shìt because of it.
     
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    Was Crespo which fell at the last minute not the experience we were after.
     
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    Yep. Not criticising them for not doing it. Just saying what I'd have liked to have seen. And if I were going to be critical, going for it at the last minute was always going to be an issue.
     
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    I’m genuinely surprised how much people love him but that’s social media for you. He’s Mick Buxton, we need a Peter Reid to push on.

    He excels with younger players and creates a good atmosphere around him. He’s a decent coach but like Bruce isn’t strong tactically, having only one favoured way of playing. If morale dips, so does form.

    I got holiday leave from another site for pointing out he’d run his course, in particular we weren’t using the new strikers effectively (inc Rigg)

    He was starting to make excuses and most importantly bridling against ‘the model’. All things told ‘Mogga’ (ffs) was following the same trajectory he has at every club he’s been at.

    I love how he brought everyone together after the bald orange snake did a runner and put together a magnificent promotion push at the end of last season but we need a manager better suited to our owner’s (and yes Speakman’s) needs.

    Flexible tactics, stat awareness and adaptability win out over grandad crack and jaffa cake memes.
     
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