Off Topic Politics Thread

The EU would be mental to let the UK back in to any formal arrangements like the CU or SM until the Tory party changes radically. Sit in their chair for a moment.

Let's say the next government wanted to take us back. The EU would have to take into consideration the fact that a change in government back to the Tories would just mean our leaving again. They won't take that risk.

Until the EU sees a broadly pro EU sentiment on both sides of the HoC we're out.

Until we see consensus across the HoC I see only movement towards working with the EU a little more co-operatively rather than hard, formal ties.

We're out till my kids are my age is my prediction.

Vin

 

If you read his post, he mentions the mods. So i merely said I’ll leave it up to them.

So, how with all the 2000 or so posts, is my whole thing to poke and run and whine to the mods. What a strange, preemptive thing to say. You can be kinda weird.

I think you may find, if you are able to be objective for a second, he was poking, wading in on a reasoned discussion and demanding a response. Initially I wasn’t sure who he was demanding a response from.

And as for your line around have dignity to fight my own battles, which I’ve done many, many times on here - go **** yourself, you sanctimonious cock

 

Are you saying the shortcomings and failures of brexit along with the lies and misinformation regarding the value of trade deals and other supposed benefits should go unmentioned? Bugger that! I'll happily applaud any gains, financia, whatever they may be, nothing of note to date.

By the way who are the brexiteers making a mess? Those in government or public services or private individuals?

 

I only object to the coming up with a legitimate brexit plan part.

The brexit plan should have been conceived by those who sold the country it was a good idea.

Insisting it is the responsibility of someone who didn't want it to come up with just seems counter intuitive.

 

Oh, completely agree, at the time it had to be done by the remainers, but I did feel and still do that had we had a unified approach cross party, considering what was done was done, that would have strengthened our position.

But political posturing meant that was always going to be difficult/impossible, to the detriment of the people that politics are supposed to serve.

My posts, maybe not as clear as some would like, were more around is there anything that the people can do now, rather than the finger pointy exercise that tends to go on. Like I said, I am not smart enough to work out what that was, but was an alternative to people (not aimed at you) moaning about it.

 

It strikes me that, apart from debating issues on this forum, the entire Brexit decision has gone very quiet. We are either waiting for the 'Great Leap Forward', and all this seeming inactivity is simply the great and the good getting their ducks in a row, so that, one day in the future, we will all wake up and appreciate the undoubted benefits of leaving, or the leavers didn't actually expect to win the vote, so they didn't need to come up with a road map for life outside the EU, because it will never happen.

The instigator of all of this was one Nigel Farage ( in my humble opinion), so maybe we should all visit the Farage residence and ask him what to do now.

 

I'd include members of the ERG as being responsible and deserve doorsteping to.

 

This European Survey seems very much like a propaganda puff piece of a survey to me. They ask 1500 people in random European countries, (800 in smaller ones) specific questions and then extrapolate that to the whole country.

I can make a pretty compelling case that the sorts of people that respond to a survey like that will be from the left wing, liberal bourgeoisie class and not a true representation of how the country feels.

In much the same way Brexit came as a surprise to this class of people (you and a few others on here), all ridiculous surveys like this do is confirm your biases.

 

Surveys and polls, if conducted by even remotely reputable organizations, weigh for demographic factors to address such questions. The ESS publishes their data rather transparently, including the cross-tabs...if you want to make that argument be actually compelling, you can actually look through the data. It took me thirty seconds to register for their data portal:

https://ess-search.nsd.no/

 

Never mind the bollocks listen to Boris and Dom. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/03/trolleying-pm-guide-to-language-boris-johnson-no-10

 

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Problem is posturising within our political system is basically all that is likely to happen with the archaic structure that governs it.

Referendums don't work in the UK. Having a choice of literally any other type of arrangement vs maintain the status quo was just daft. Brexit should have been defined first. Having such a vague non option win was always going to cause this chaos and it is effectively impossible to make right as people's understanding of the "literally any other option" brexit differs despite being the same vote.

Its nearly an impossible task to resolve.

 

Not an entirely serious suggestion (so what's new?) but Nigel Farage is, I believe, going to be on "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here". Leaving aside the somewhat curious definition of 'celebrity' in Farage's case, this might be an opportunity for the other jungle dwellers to ask Farage what Brexit is meant to achieve, and what it has actually achieved. Alternatively, it will be an opportunity for Remainers to vote en masse, in order to subject Farage to as many Bushtucker Trials as possible.

 

You just know it will be this

 

From the Good Law Project.

During the pandemic, 9,000 beds and mattresses were bought – at a cost to the NHS of £24m – for the Government’s Nightingale hospitals which lay largely empty.

From our investigations with the Daily Mirror, we can now reveal that 6,000 of these beds were not fit for clinical use, and have been sold off for only £410,000.

We found that in some cases, beds bought for thousands of pounds were being flogged for as little as £6 each.

 

Well said.

Vin

 

Anyone else find this disgusting? That he had targeted 5 women previously clearly indicates that he is a predator should receive no reduction in his sentence


“vile Jordan McSweeney kicked and stamped defenceless Zara Aleena to death in a horrific sex attack that lasted nine minutes.

But three appeal judges yesterday ruled his 38-year minimum sentence was excessive because the victim was unconscious early on and there was no “additional suffering”, despite having 46 separate injuries.

They reduced his term by five years, sparking fury among the victim’s relatives.

McSweeney, 30, had targeted at least five women before he killed trainee solicitor Zara, who was 35.”

 

It’s government which ultimately makes the decisions which affect our relationships with other countries and international bodies.
Us citizens just have to make the best of it.

When we were in the EU, some politicians blamed the perceived shortcomings of the country on being in the EU, now we’re out, not being in the EU will be the core reason for a few politicians, but ultimately it’s a smokescreen for any failures from our own leaders

 

Perhaps the judge is simply shortening the time before McSweeney has to leave the relative safety of his cell, to get what's coming to him, on the outside