Sorry, Wakey, but you're not quite right. Yes, he had a set date to return, including the additional 'international duty', but decided he needed another week & refused to leave Sweden.
Fair enough Billy my mistake. However how do you feel about fans (you in this case) being extremely critical of the manager when he's operating under the most unusual of circumstances ? Personally I'd prefer everyone to be behind those committed to the club and whilst you keep saying you wish Farke to succeed your words on numerous posts are unsupportive of him and how he's trying achieve that success. Farke has my 100% support and if that means he puts certain players noses out of joint so be it. If his words stop a potential signing from joining the mighty Leeds then good as they obviously weren't right for us anyway.
Oh so there are differing degrees of supporting the team and players regardless. Good to know As for the comments you made about KP, just to remind you. You said he had been crap for numerous games and posted your opinion that he shouldn't be playing in the Bristol City, prior to the game kicking off. Surely knowing that on the day of making your post, that KP had been selected to play, you should have been supporting ALL 11 players selected to start the game, as opposed to having a rant of a public forum, about a certain players selection, if you support the team and the players regardless. The level of criticism shouldn't matter, as surely there shouldn't be any by what you have said. Surely also why only the team and the players, do not the manager, backroom staff etc also not deserve to be fully supported? Now as it happened KP had an excellent game that day, with 2 assists for the 3 goals we scored however within a couple of games later, you were back to saying that Klich, Vierra or any of our midfielders should be playing instead of him, and that KP was too lazy and didn't have the ability to read the game quick enough to play as a defensive midfielder. Now I get it, we all have our moments when the actions of a player annoys you so much you have to publicly vent. It's human nature. I always state that I do my best not to comment about players, especially in a negative way, but I can guarantee that there will be occasions I lapsed. It's why over the years I've made posts supporting Tyler Roberts, Jamie Shackleton and numerous posts defending Liam Cooper and I class myself as being a pessimistic poster. However to call out other posters for their negativity over an issue that you disagree with, and state that SUPPORTERS should support the team and the players regardless, seems a bit two faced, when you have done the same thing in the past, if to a slightly lesser degree, at least in your opinion. I totally agree that when attending a match, all players selected to start and on the bench should receive our support, although I understand that others see it differently. However when it's comes to here, there are plenty of posts that I cringe at, but I understand that the majority of the time it's borne from pure frustration and that it's is not a personal attack on myself or the club I support and thus if I choose to reply, I do my best to do so in a calm and factually based (put people to sleep ) manner. Football by its own nature is an emotive subject and thus issues affecting the club we have dedicated our lives to, even more so. Therefore it is not unexpected that people will have various differing opinions about various topics and and how WE respond to a post made by someone we disagree decides whether this is a forum of debate or a forum of anger venting. However being human, even I have let emotions rule the way I post, compared to what I consider my usual style. I would say most of the comments I've heard or read about Farke, are supportive of his frankness regarding certain situations. You obviously disagree about this, and I am more than willing to concede that you may be correct. However you never seem to concede that you may be wrong, you just double down on your opinion or post some kind of snide remark back to whoever has had the temerity to question a post of yours. Surely supporting a player, team, coach, tea lady regardless, shouldn't have any degrees of latitude. The level of abuse, criticism etc shouldn't matter. If player A is unable to play because he wants to attend the birth of his child we should fully support him. If player B has shagged the wives/girl friends of every squad member we have, we should fully support him. If player C isn't very good at football, but the manager keeps picking him, we should fully support him.
I would totally agree if he had come in, been told one story and then the transfers started happening ... thing is, Farke fully understood the situation with loan clauses and contracts ... he took four weeks to negotiate his deal and as he stated the club needed to convince him to take the job ... he also said he was coming in eyes wide open, and that he expected the job to be difficult ... therefore I can't understand why he kept on talking about contracts and mercenaries for the past three weeks You don't have to publicly say if a player dowsn't want to be here he can fk off, that's a given ... by moaning so publicly he has caused a toxic environment to start taking shape among the fanbase, culminating in that awful sign being place outside Thorp Arch ... his words have consequences, time for his words to be focused on the players he has and with a positive tone ... he has the tools to take us up, no doubt I am all for frankness and honesty, but I also understand leadership ... right now the issue I have is that Farke isn't behaving like a leader but playing to the fans Thanks for responding, good point for discussion
Thanks for responding, good point for discussion[/QUOTE] Funny thing how before Bielsa transformed KP the fanbase were willing for him to be sold for £200k ... that was because he was struggling, he was being deployed further forward and not coping ... KP doesn't have the mobility fo a Klich to play the 8 role, which is why I suggested a more mobile player in that role ... Bielsa recognised this, and dropped KP back into the 4 role, giving him the responsibility of playing raking passes when he saw them ... by sitting deeper KP didn't have to worry about accelerating into small pockets of space to be effective as he had much more time on the ball to send one over the top or thread one through to Pablo I watched a lot of KP in the U18s, his best game was in the Youth Cup at Anfield where he basically sat in the centre circle and dictated play, spraying passes around for fun so I never understood why Christiansen and Hecky wanted him to play higher up Again, it's not hard
I don't understand why it is ok to criticise a player over their ability ( it's not their fault they have been selected to play), but it's not ok to criticize a player that the club have officially announced has requested not to be selected. The level of criticism is a different matter, but as I said in my lengthy post, we are talking about an emotive subject, and just because I disagree with someone, doesn't mean they support OUR club any more or less than myself. As a final point, given the sentence I highlighted in bold, was that KP's fault that the management team wanted KP to play higher up the pitch. Should we not be giving our full support to the management team with their player selections, and our full support to the player doing his best to fulfill the role his manager has asked him to play, or do we only support the team and players regardless, until we decide otherwise. What you are saying is that it was ok for you to be critical of KP because he wasn't fulfilling his potential by playing in a position that the management wanted him to play, even if it didn't suit his style of football, but it's wrong for others to criticize a player for not wanting to play, and that even though the club released an official statement, all reports of WG requesting not to play in the last two games, it's only scum supporting media that is mentioning this, and thus in this situation we should support the player regardless. That too me seems like double standards
It's always good and enjoyable to discuss what's happening with our club and of course there'll always be differences of opinion. For example I'm in agreement with your view on the double pivot but miles apart when it comes to assessing Farke and how he's performed so far. In fact I'd go so far as to say without Farke we'd be in even more turmoil and any unrest amongst the fans would be even greater. Perhaps you can see that too now Billy ?
Look, when the leader starts publicly talking about players in a negative light, it's never going to end well ... sign outside Thorp Arch says everything you need to know about why it's better to keep things private ... yes, it sounds great to the fans that the boss is "one of us" but the fans aren't the ones who have to get into the box and score, or make that last ditch tackle What would have been better to address the loans and contracts is for Kinnear to have gone onto the Leeds pod and explained it all with clarity ... Farke fell into the media trap of starting discussions about contracts ... the press have made it their go-to opener every time now, because they know it causes unrest and they love it that way at Leeds Good thing about Farke's press conference yesterday is that the club have clearly had a word and asked him to sidestep the contract questions, and his response of "I have no control over that" was exactly the right thing to say ... no problem with him revealing that he's got Gnonto, Costa and Sinisterra training away from the group, that's his right as manager and the leadership style he wants to portray It's when he basically called all players with clauses mercenaries who aren't committed (and I mean ALL players, not just Leeds) that he started to cause problems that we don't need ... him also saying he would never sign a player wanting a clause massively reduces the transfer pool BEFORE you've even started negotiations ... anyway, we are where we are now, hopefully the club can attract some good talent and Farke can have a squad capable of promotion ... results will reveal all, as it always does I believe in Farke, I believe in our players ... no more bickering, let's just go and fk the Championship and never return
oh jeez ... you're trying so hard to discredit me, why don't I do it for you ... I'm a complete idiot who hates the club and I'm doing my best to cause division and unrest ... you've seen through my masterplan, so I'm clearly terrible at it ... now that I've been discovered, I'll have to fk off so that you don't have to read my drivel anymore Hope this helps
He’s right, they are all mercenaries. I don’t want players that want out before they’ve even played for Leeds if the going gets tough. And once again, for the last time, it is Gnonto and Sinisterra that are behaving unprofessionally not Farke. I don’t know why any club would want them as they will repeat their behaviour if they don’t get what they want.
