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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Monday 7th August)

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Aug 7, 2023.

  1. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    They add down not up.
     
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    I knew that Ampadu could play as a CB, which pleased me until he dropped back to cover until the Coops / Cresswell change. He looked relatively small. Looked it up, he's 6ft. dead, but everyone seemed to tower over him. I wouldn't like to lose him in the 2. He played as well as I've ever seen Adams play. It would be a waste to play him CB, unless it's an emergency.
     
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    Agree, but one thing I didn't notice at ER, but noticed when I watched the recorded game on the telly was that Sinistera is only half-hearted in his pressing. Let himself down, imo. I also confirmed my live view that James is a stranger to the tbyeline. If it had been Gnonto on the left wing, he would have been more productive there, as some of his cutbacks from there would have suited out midget attackers right down to the ground.
     
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  4. ellandback

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    But when you consider Southampton have just sold Salisu for 15m and Livramento for £40m and Leicester City who sold Maddison / Barnes for a combined £80m+, they are in a much better financial position than us.

    Only two teams automatically go up, and we are suddenly a long way behind both.

    Bringing in, one £15m player isn't going to do it for us. We need two midfielders, 2 strikers, and a left back.
     
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  5. ellandback

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    They're talking about Nat Philips again, which personally I don't rate. We need someone hard as nails, someone like Noel Blake.
     
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  7. Doc

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    FFFP works best for us with loans out apparently otherwise you end up selling at a loss which hurts us in the accounts. If all the wages are being paid too it’s a result. Selling a Summerville or Gnonto or Meslier is a massive win on FFFP rules a bought for peanuts and make a massive profi selling Adams and making a loss or a slight profit doesn’t help much. Leicester and Southampton selling player and making huge profits is great for them
     
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  8. Mr Wolves-White

    Mr Wolves-White Well-Known Member

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    Have you heard a price cos last thing I heard was £10 million which we considered too steep.
     
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    Can’t we just sell our top internationals for a profit then. That would sort it
     
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    Adams has a £20m buyout clause
     
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    Who's going to want them?
     
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    I heard it's dropped to around 6.5m
     
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    Basically whatever fee you pay, is for accounting purposes, spread over the length of the contract. It's why UEFA closed the loophole on Chelsea offering players 7 year + contracts. Think the maximum allowable is 5 years.

    Thus if we signed someone for £20m with a 4 year contract, his book value decreases by £5m per year, and after his first year his value is then £15m for FFP purposes. If we then sell him for £18m after year 1, we are deemed to have actually made a profit in respect of FFP of £3m.

    So basically on the figures Ell quoted for Adams, its £3.5m times length of contract that we offer a new player, would mean we break even with regards to FFP
     
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    That's an entirely different argument which I don't disagree with.

    My point was that if we sell Adams for the figure you suggested, then under FFP, we still have more than £3.5m to spend.

    Unfortunately we can't do anything about what other clubs are spending, nor about the terms in contracts that our previous regime offered to players.

    As to whether our new regime, take your view and say we only have £3.5m to spend or they take the FFP view, allowing them to purchase a higher value player, will of course be up to them :)
     
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    Let's not forget we are guessing what we actually owe on these players, most of the figures quoted include add ons Adams won't have played enough for the add ons to be included. Rutter was supposed £35m, I've read a truer figure is £24m with the rest being the add ons which haven't been achieved
     
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    Who’s this having a dip I wonder

     
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    It’s what we paid for him though mate so not much benefit under FFFP rules
     
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    Heard Adams transfer fee currently sits at 17 million.
     
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  19. wakeybreakyheart

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    Ffp is over 3 years rolling.
     
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