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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. COYCS

    COYCS Well-Known Member

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    The modern day vehicle is extremely clean from an emission point of view, the carbon footprint is different. An electric vehicle is something else. It's carbon footprint is much bigger. When buying one you must take into account, that replacing the battery will cost an average of 4k to 8k to replace. The footprint of producing that battery is massive and possible outways getting rid of petroldriven vehicles.

    Hydrogen powered vehicles are the way forward, but timescaleis not good.
     
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  2. Sunderpitt

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    The problem is vehicle air pollution in London, like many built up areas, is appalling causing many health problems especially in children. Asthma is increasing. Open coal fires were banned for a reason. I worked in central London, some days with little wind, you were gasping for breath just walking.

    However I now live in a village 3 miles outside of Durham, where on a weekday you are lucky to get one bus an hour, on weekends it is far worse. So we are a 3 car family.

    Now it seems politicians forcing ULEZ will not get elected. Or in the shires if they propose inshore wind farms.
     
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  3. Sunderpitt

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    I think I read Toyota is pushing hydrogen fuel cells? Ie using then to produce electricity?
     
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    There is good research work going on, but it's not coordinated as it use to be, thanks largely to VW interpretation of the rules, and the industries reluctance to get rid of diesel-powered cars.
     
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  5. Pure River Slut

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    If public transport was safer more regular and more affordable people would use it more but it’s a money making **** show. People don’t seem to realise who is responsible for this dire situation. It isn’t Sadiq khan
     
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  6. The Exile II

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    Khan inherited the best public transport network in the country. Every London mayor does.
     
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    Trouble is that local councils are now realizing they can adopt similar schemes to make money as I am sure you will know that the lovely people across the river from Gateshead are doing. the whole system in this country stinks and everything about local councils to the police is money grabbing and corrupt but we as citizens just sit there and take it but some time soon people will realize that insurrection may be the only way forward as politics is not working. I am pleased that I will be leaving these shores soon the only downside is that I will have to support my team from the other side of the world.
     
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  8. COYCS

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    No it isn't his fault. To put some kind of perspective on it.
    As a vehicle owner, l pay for car tax x 2, l pay VAT for parts and labour on car repair, charged VAT on car insurance, and fuel tax when purchasing petrol.
    For that, roads are not repaired, money doesn't reach local transport. It gets swallowed up in the treasury coffers, and that piss me off. Yes, there is probably more deserving cases like the NHS, but this lot haven't got a plan A, and not sure the next lot have either.
    Apologies for the rant.
     
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    It’s really worrying when you think about it, the same people who moan about the environment won’t have a wind farm near them or accept ULEZ.

    To be fair, I have absolutely no confidence that any money made form schemes like ULEZ will go towards helping the environment.

    On the subject of wind farms it needs is a party with some balls to get in or remain in power (god forbid) and then just say, right, this is happening. We’re building wind farms in the best area possible based purely on generating power. I’ve simplified it but if it’s done at the start of a term in office there is more chance of people getting used to it and seeing the benefits by the time of the next election.
     
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    Offshore one in Norfolk canned because it is too expensive. Offshore is best area possible, otherwise you are making a mess of our green and pleasant land in my opinion.
     
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  11. Daz

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    Yeah fair enough offshore is best but cost shouldn’t come into it when we are happily spaffing billions on this HS2 farce.
     
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    Agree with HS2. I was pleased to see the plans for nuclear power announced personally, particularly the SMR route. Has to be the way forward for me, along with sensible solar and wind. My issue with wind farms is the amount of land needed to generate the sort of power output you get from nuclear plants. It is a massive amount more.
     
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    I am in two minds about wind turbines, they are obviously bigger and more modern than the old windmills of yore.. although I bet many at the time decried them as hideous.
    A farmer (sadly late) acquaintance of mine, had 4 windturbines on his land. Sold them for £4m and bought 3 more farms.

    Iirc correctly even the teletubbies, had a turbine on their idyll?
     
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  15. The Exile II

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    Big money to be made. One onshore site I'm involved with is costing £300 million quid, and they expect to make a profit on the investment. There are a lot of issues with onshore though - a 250m tall turbine is bigger than most buildings in London and can be seen for miles around.
     
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    Certainly no landowner would rarely turn them down...
     
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    There's all sorts of dodgy stuff goes on. It's still a bit wild west up in Scotland, and we're probably a good decade ahead of England when it comes to onshore, so expect some absolutely horrific permissions to be granted as councils get mugged off.
     
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    That’s true but it doesn’t make it affordable or safe. Are you saying that our privatised transport system isn’t currently an absolute **** up that affects us all while shareholders still make profit. Just checking.
     
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    Well I for one think they are en eyesore. Build the buggers offshore if they have too. As my username suggests I quite like our UK landscape. Plenty of ways to generate more power than wind can with a bit more nuclear capability. Could also use every bit of roofspace for solar if they arent already. Not convinced any of the renewable sources are really the answer, but I am no expert. What about tidal power if there is such a thing? Be a while before we cant rely on fossil fuels for me, maybe need more thought on carbon capture.
     
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  20. The Exile II

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    I'm saying that London has the best public transport system in the country.

    Still struggling with that whole seeing only what you want to see thing, eh?
     
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