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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Smug in Boots, Jun 24, 2023.

  1. Draig

    Draig Well-Known Member

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    In 1975 we were in the EEC which was hugely different to the EU which resulted in Brexit.

    The Single European Act of 1987 amended the Treaty of Rome. Its aim was to create a single internal market, which had been proving difficult under the existing Treaties. The SEA replaced many unanimous decision-making processes with Qualified Majority Voting, in order to facilitate the adoption of a raft of European Union legislation by the end of 1992.

    The European Union was formed in 1993, it incorporated the EEC and renamed it the European Community. Then, in 2009, the EC's institutions were absorbed into the EU's wider framework and the EEC formally ceased to exist.

    Now, tell me why the UK 1975 EEC membership referendum result should still be binding upon us after the EEC itself no longer existed and we had no say whatsoever in becoming EC / EU members?
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Honestly mate, I don't think you're a racist just because you have concerns about immigration. I have them myself and, in all honesty, you'd have to be pretty strange if you didn't whether you voted Leave or Remain.

    But immigration was a big part of Brexit and, no doubt, the racists who exist were delighted ...

    ... sadly the politicians use immigration to their own means and neither us or the immigrants see any sign of progress.
     
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    I always found it mental that someone as qualified as a doctor would be vilified before they can emigrate here or declined for a minor offence in cases if they were Asian but a beggar could walk in as long as they had EU citizenship.
     
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    BORED

    Bart
     
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    master-simpson Well-Known Member

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    Boris had nowt to do with it for me!!

    Bart
     
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    BORED

    Bart
     
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    <laugh> <laugh> <laugh>
    Brilliant!
     
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  8. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Yes he did ...

    ... don't be coy <laugh>
     
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  9. DH4

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    The statement was that a "referendum" result should be "final/definitive/sacrosanct" what the referendum was about was not mentioned so is immaterial. You are conflating two different things there.
     
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  10. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    There'll be massive justification for leaving ...

    ... I truly hope those reasons prove correct.

    Brexit promised us all a regenerated NHS, control of our borders, thousands of highly paid jobs, low inflation, reduced immigration, excellent legislation and fabulously shaped bananas ...

    ... what's not to like <laugh>
     
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  11. Downeys Loup

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    Our democratically elected UK government had a say at the time and voted on behalf of the nation. They didn’t consider a referendum necessary. Everyone who voted in the UK elections therefore had a say.
     
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    Don't forget the double decker buses and especially the busty barmaids 20230626_205318.jpg
     
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    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, buses made in Germany and a Romanian barmaid on a gap year <laugh>
     
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    Don't forget the new blue passports, designed in France and made in Poland :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  15. Draig

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    No. There was nothing to conflate. Either a 1975 EEC membership referendum is binding or it not. I say it isnt, based upon the fact that subsequently the terms and conditions of membership were significantly changed from those that were in place in 1975.
     
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    Our democratically elected Government? John Major signed the Maastricht treaty between ousting Thatcher and the 1992 general election. Just how did we, the electorate, have any say in that process?!
     
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  17. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    TBF you could easily argue that the terms and conditions Boris promised in his 'oven ready deal' weren't worth the fat it was basted in.
     
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    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    That's some straw clutching.

    The public never had a say solely on whether we wanted to sign up to the European Union. They would have voted in the Conservatives on a number of policies.
     
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    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    We had already voted to leave the European Union before he announced his oven ready deal.
     
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  20. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Yes I know, everyone knows.
     
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