I have stated before that Cameron and Clegg created the mess we are now in, they thought the vote was only going one way without a clear plan of what would happen if the vote went against staying. Both the leave and stay campaigns were poor, leaving me a late decision which way to vote. Can l say at this point immigration had never entered my head, it was what was best for me and my family. A 52/48% majority Was the outcome and 7 years late 52% probably still want to make a success of it, 48% do not, thus the stalemate and no progress. At some point and whichever way the vote went for you, we have to move on, if not more chaos will ensue. We need to man up, sit down with the EU and put our house in order and have a proper working relationship with our nearest and dearest, so we can move forward.
"The morning after the vote I went for breakfast with him - we spoke about the result and he told me honestly he just "wanted all the foreigners out the country" and he didn't care if it meant he was impacted financially, he just wanted to stop "all this immigration"." You're not supposed to say that man. We all have to pretend the vote had nothing to do with immigrantion ... ... we're supposed to believe people voted for fish quotas, imperial measures and to protect our criminal justice system. Even people I know won't admit their vote was anything to do with immigration issue ... ... despite being happy to air their views about it providing Brexit isn't mentioned.
Scare mongering was a tactic used by both leavers & remainers, its strange how the break up of the UK still hasnt happened or the USA putting us at the back of the queue for any trade deals, the border chaos predicted also never happened, lots of the UK financial sectors were also predicted to pack up and leave for the EU again this never happened. Locally we were told Nissan would pack up and leave resulting in thousands of job losses, again that never happened, more investment was injected resulting in more jobs ! Just like stopping the boats coming in hasnt happened or the promise of huge investment into the NHS. Arguments for both sides were just wind and p**s, just like any other political campaign. We are only 7 years into Brexit during which we have had the Pandemic and the Ukraine war to deal with alongside the chaotic political challenges the tories have presented themselves. I voted leave and would still vote leave even after being branded a racist, flag waving middle aged populist !! Fact is it will take many years to solve Brexit, its a work in progress, some people dont want Brexit to work and would gladly see the UK beg to be allowed back into the EU, I cant get my head around that mentality. Surely everyone pulling in the same direction helps resolve the many issues coming our way.
We created the problems that need to be solved by the very fact of leaving. If we hadn't left those self same problems would not exist.
Here's a question for those who are firmly 'Leave' and don't believe another referendum should be considered. If the vote had been very narrowly 'Remain' would you have 'accepted democracy' and never mentioned leaving ever again?
If you except the vote in a general election, however big or small, then surely you should except any democratic vote.
So you don't think committed Leavers would ask for another vote ever again. That's fair enough, I believe they would but that's just my opinion.
Do you believe everyone will just accept the vote and not mention the 'Labour lies' that got them in, or moan about 'first past the post' then carry on without complaint. I don't tbh.
The most surprising thing (for me anyway) is how many people are stamping their feet (foot?) and demanding another go. Referendums are rare and final/definitive/sacrosanct imo.
I cannot speak for others and would not wish too. Whenever there has been a general election and whoever has won, l have accepted the result, whether or not l voted for that party, that how democracy works.
? That's fair enough mate, we can only ever really speak for ourselves ... ... I have, however, noticed people already criticising the future Labour government and we don't even have an election date yet
So you agree that people should be allowed to criticise Brexit without automatically being called a Remoaner.
I think if there was another vote now....and hopefully EVERYTHING could be spelled out in plain english to voters....all the pros and the cons. Also we would have some real time knowledge of what Brexit actually looks like and how difficult life outside of the EU really is for a small independent country. If that happened I would bet on a landslide to go back into the EU. Given all the false promises made by these lying Tories, people would see the benefits of membership. Just my opinion mind...and that of plenty of people I know who voted to leave and now bitterly regret it. There would still be those who would steadfastly want to stay out, and I respect that, but those who run businesses and create jobs who make a great case to get back into the biggest trading bloc in the world.
So what about the 1975 refendum to remain which 64% said yes. Was that not final/definitive/sacrosanct ?
