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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. The Exile II

    The Exile II Well-Known Member

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    The problem (not a Labour only one either) is that the grassroots are crackers. Blair trod that middle ground between the lunatic fringes successfully for quite a while.
     
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    I'm no expert on this but Driscoll appears to be the kind of bloke Labour could well do without. He's had allegations of antisemitism hoyed his way and done little to refute them. I was reading this morning he rejects the allegations but admitted he hasn't even read the EHRC report or the Forde report. How the **** can he aspire to a senior leadership position without knowing what's in two of the most damning reports in the party's history.
     
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  3. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I don't mind the bloke but, tbf, he wants radical reform of the voting system, London centralisation, the House of Commons and the House of Lords ...

    ... in a general election people are, in reality, voting mainly for a party and a PM so, like a football manager, Starmer will want his own team as far as possible.

    As with Brexit any election is really a shot in the dark imo ... the last elected PM was a shambles.
     
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    You might be right. I am working closely with some labour councillors at the minute. They are reasonable people in my experience so far. They are working hard enough on an important issue, without playing party politics. Couple of conservatives and greens involved too. They seem able to cooperate so far. Not the extreme ends of any party. He will need not to be fighting his own party when he is in power is my concern. The country faces an uphill struggle and whilst I see nothing from Starmer that suggests his policies work, I want him to have a solid run at it without dragging a weight behind him. Seen enough of that with the tory in fighting.
     
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    That is fair enough. Struck me that Burnham was fighting his corner is all. It just seems a story a week arises of this sort and you have to wonder if it is a good move or not.
     
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    Good analogy about Starmer wanting his own team. I am probably over analyising but there just seems a lof of candidates blocked from the centre and the grassroots should be an important sounding board at least.

    I would not be against Burnhams want to overhaul certain things. House of Lords and proportional representation dont seem too far away from needing some serious thought.
     
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    If I am being honest I would rather have a 'Burnham' rather that Starmer leading. Not that Starmer isn't worthy, but as has been said, the GE is somewhat Presidential and Kier, is boring and lacks charisma. De Sanctimonious is using his wife...
     
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    I am in a pondering mood this evening. Been reading a lot in the media about the 'stupidity' of the eat out to help out scheme. Daft title aside, I do seem to recall the media coverage at the time wasnt this damning. Looking back on things with 20/20 vision is important in order we learn from mistakes. Lets be honest nobody in the world seemed particularly well prepared for a pandemic and loads of things would not be repeated next time.

    I suppose my moan is at the media again. There does seem to be a witch hunt agaisnt Sunak and I am sure as chancellor he was a key decision maker. But the scheme was all about helping the hospitality sector which was on its knees and the previous lockdown had worked but I for one didnt want more of it. At the time the take up of people going out to eat was high, I went out more than once to socialise and it was really beneficial to me. Now I am all for learning whether medical advice was against it or not, because that would be damning. But the media need to remember at the time it was not deemed so stupid by them as it is now. Again, hindsight...

    It seems to me, that Sunak has been on a hiding to nothing since he took over. In some broadsheets he has been know as Rish! since day 1. It is a personal agenda in my opinion. It seems so incredibly childish to call names. I cant help but think some journalists are desperate to see him fall as a result of the eat out scheme, when his job as chancellor was to find an economic path through the pandemic, alongside health colleagues etc. We seem to have a culture in the media of this country of behaving like school kids with the name calling. Whatever Sunak did or did not do in the build up to the eat out scheme, a bit more intelligence than name calling wouldnt go amiss. Mind you when PMs questions is reduced to screeching histeria and name calling I suppose we get the media politicians deserve.
     
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    I like the sound of the new UBI scheme being trialled. One in Jarrow, one in London. Very small group, and 2 years seems a lengthy trial period, but a really interesting welfare trial that seems modern and relevant. Fair play.
     
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    I honestly haven't seen a witch hunt with Sunak tbh, in fact he was fortunate to come in on the back of Truss who few people could've been worse than. He's presiding over endless strikes, increases in illegal/legal immigration, poor economy, etc so he can't expect too much praise in all honesty.

    His wife's non-dom tax avoidance situation didn't help at first and his pronouncement about integrity, honesty and openness is coming back to bite him with this Covid enquiry .

    The media are there to report what's going on and there's very little good news tbh.
     
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    Not seen that but will take a look at the scheme.

    I’m not sure there is much it a witch hunt other than with the eat out to help out…like you say medical advise around the time will be interesting to see. He may not even be the main reason why these messages are being redacted but it seems most likely.

    What’s worth mentioning is the bloke doesn’t help himself…from essentially disappearing away in key times when he should have been guiding, to being filmed in Tunbridge Wells saying that he will move money back from the most deprived areas. And now it turns out him and the mrs donated £2.5m to a college in America when British schools are absolutely on their knees.

    The bad press he is getting is warranted in my opinion.
     
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    For someone who came out with something so ridiculously elitist I think he got off quite lightly tbh.

    Man of the people ffs <doh>

     
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  13. The Exile II

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    The mainstream media were an absolute disgrace during COVID.

    LOCK US DOWN! LOCK US DOWN!

    *Government locks down*

    SET US FREE! SET US FREE! SET US FREEEEEEE!

    Meanwhile, people on YouTube are doing what journalists used to do, talking to experts from all sides of the crisis, getting their insights and opinions rather than offering their own editorialising. ****ing YouTube.
     
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    Maybe mate. But to be getting bad press because he is rich, or his wife is rich. Or he is short. Or he is from the so called Oxbridge / Eton set. This all seems discriminatory to me. Like I said, from day 1 parts of the media were against him for personal reasons in my opinion. Starmer has been allowed to propogate lies and slander about him without much media outrage. Probably sells copy to have idiots spouting bile. I think the media are getting away with a gross lack of intelligence personally and we keep letting them.
     
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  15. Smug in Boots

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    Really?

    I haven't seen anything like that tbh.

    I do remember criticism that he'd become PM by default, a bit like the school caretaker ending up as head teacher. But nothing about him being short and only a few mentions about his education which is reasonable.

    There was more criticism, on day one, when he brought back Braverman less than a week after she was forced to go for breaching the ministerial code ...

    ... and for making Raab the deputy PM when he was already facing the allegations that subsequently forced him out.

    I think people were more interested in that than the size of his inside leg.
     
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    One of the reasons I like the Greens. They support UBI. With the excesses of wealth that exist in the world I don’t see why anyone shouldn’t have the basics. The thing preventing it is intolerance and the fact that we blame the vulnerable instead of those in power.
     
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    It's a massive cultural change. A bit like working from home.
     
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    My dog loves this cultural change
     
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