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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    Unless someone else in number 10 is happy for Boris to be the scapegoat. Sunak is clearly stating it is his parties position in the AI statement I posted.
     
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  2. FellTop

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    It seems plausible to me that any notebooks and whatsapp messages will have all sorts of people named and involved. I am not sure anymore what the aim of the inquiry to be honest. I was with a family member this weekend whose life has been ruined by covid, utterly, and she wants Boris to walk the plank. I get it. I am not so sure this will achieve anything though. Chilcot cost upwards of £10m and Blair still rejected the outcome and is out there making his money. Johnson will undoubtedly be the same. I just dont see the consequences. We already know he is a bare faced liar and like Blair he wont walk the political corridors again.
     
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  3. Sunderpitt

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    As far as I concerned the Boris Covid 19 fcuk up with Care Homes and Hospitals killed my mother. If I ever met him and I had a 9 iron in my hand I would be very tempted to plant it in his skull.

    Sweden have already had their investigation done and dusted. The Con bastards just want to delay and obstruct hoping it will go away, or they can kick it in 'the long grass'.

    The woman leading the investigation, which has not yet started, seems formidable, she will have to be.
     
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  4. FellTop

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    I am not minimising anybodys loss. My post I hoped made it clear. My sister in law, who was a hospital employee, aged 43 in wave 1, is all but bed bound and any contact with even a relatively minor bug could kill her. First time I have seen her and nephews since she caught it. Breaks my heart to see how their lives have to be lived. I am just unsure how this inquiry will help if it is punishment wanted, like my family seem to want. No offence intended at all.
     
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  5. Smug in Boots

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    I don't think it matters whether the 'accused' accepts the decision or not, Blair has that stain on him until the day he dies ...

    ... Johnson, and his pals, laughed it up while the mugs were waving to their families through windows.

    People want a bit of revenge, whatever the cost.

    How else can they get any.
     
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  6. FellTop

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    I understand it mate. I really do. Hope I havent come across as a heartless bastard. Just dont know if this will move us forward. Hope it does.
     
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  7. Smug in Boots

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    The alternative to holding Johnson to account is not to hold him to account ...

    .... he lied to us all, as PM, and is still lying now.

    Just not good enough imo.

    He really believes he's above us all and he's not.
     
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  8. FellTop

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    Or is there an alternative where he can face real consequences if done wrong? I wanted Blair to be punished, but he wasnt. My point here is I expect the same again, i.e. no punishment if it is deserved.
     
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  9. Smug in Boots

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    I appreciate everything you're saying mate but, for me, it's enough that he's being humiliated and squirming.

    He'll be aghast that, after walking away from difficult situations all his life, he's now being put in the stocks while the public throw all kinds of rubbish at him.
     
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  10. The Exile II

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    I think there's plenty of blame to go around. Fair enough, the politicians get sacked, but there are hundreds of individuals culpable here, decision makers at all levels, and as far as we know they've gotten off scot free so far, and if the next pandemic happens to land in five years time they'll all still be in their jobs and we'll see similar mistakes made.
     
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  11. FellTop

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    I know in my line of work I can be sacked sharpish for breaking the rules. I regularly award big contracts and have to follow procurement regs. I find them bloody inefficient but I have to follow them. I even have a procurement team who often say to me no that is not allowed. I have no probs with agility in a pandemic, but a review with consequences of any genuine missteps would make sense now. Just an example.
     
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  12. The Exile II

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    There was a great deal of flat out dereliction of duty went on too. The one that really annoys me is the pandemic stockpile. The army should not be going in there and finding unmarked boxes of stuff where nobody knows what it is.
    This is not excusing things that went on further up mind, but it's things like this which could have had a positive effect on the front line when it was desperately needed that were just abandoned by someone who was paid to do it. That's someone's job and that someone should have been sacked.
     
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  13. Pure River Slut

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    Including the current prime minister
     
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    Even the fcuking Torygraph thinks its a disgrace
     
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    Didnt he object to school closures? A policy that will have consequences for decades. What did he do wrong?
     
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  16. Pure River Slut

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    Eat out to help Wetherspoons was one bizarre thing that caused a lockdown, the rest …. We’ll find out when they release the information.
     
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    Just been a report on BBC Breakfast about the new I Daniel Blake stage show. When the original film was made 7 years ago there was 1 "food bank" in Newcastle. Today, there are 7. Is this the growth the Tories keep referring to? :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  18. Coastal Dolphins

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    A bit accountability at the highest levels for a change would massively move us forward in the future.

    Might not be so much undelivered PPE, scandalously awarded contracts and cronyism leading to excess deaths in a future pandemic is my take on it. That’s meant to be the point of the enquiry - learning from the mistakes Johnson Hancock etc made.
     
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  19. The Exile II

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    Sacking the politicians while leaving supposedly accountable decision makers right through the chain of responsibility in their jobs?

    We'll just have the same thing happen again. It's like saying sack the board but leave the manager in place. Both need to go.

    There was no reason the NHS needed one bloke who's not an expert to say yes or no to starting preparations, for example.

    I know an individual up here who shut down access to the care home she was responsible for a month before she was told to by the government. She was threatened with the sack, with legal action, all sorts. Every person involved in that care home thanked her in the end. Zero deaths. She could have abdicated her responsibility, sat there fat dumb and happy and done nothing until told to, watched her residents die needlessly and keep her job, as so many have.
     
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  20. Smug in Boots

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    There's a stock excuse for this shameful situation. In fact, that's being kind, it's not really an excuse tbh, it's just a cheap way to smokescreen with 'whataboutery' as usual.

    Those who automatically defend the government, whether it's Johnson/Truss/Sunak, will ignore the thousands of families in real need and find an example of someone on £40k a year who's used a food bank.

    The argument is nonsense.

    If a hardworking family have pushed themselves to the limit buy a home and now find food inflation at 15%, mortgages rising, fuel bills going through the roof, etc, it can easily take them over their budget. Many people, especially with young families, live close to their means and that is the same for people on £40/50/60k a year.

    The massive increase in food banks isn't because we've had the same increase in the homeless or benefit claimants, etc.

    They government should be ashamed but, of course, they're not ...

    ... they would rather spend time trying to block an official enquiry to cover up their actions during the Covid crisis.
     
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