Some of their idols singing the National anthem on a day of National celebration.. and they chose to bring the shame on their club… imho:
Some scousers citing Freedom of speech here… so.. how would they feel if a team booed their hillsborough silence? Or Turin? there’s a thing called class and respect and they knowingly seem to choose to disrespect. Easy option was to say nothing. but they chose the harder option.
Totally agree. No class or decency shown by those booing the National Anthem. You might not like or agree with the Royal Family but why boo? If you don’t have anything good to say then don’t say anything at all. As you say if some people disagreed about ‘tributes’ to their special moments eg Hillsborough then they would be complaining. A classic case of double standards/hypocrisy. If we did not have the Royal Family then we would have an elected Head of State. Can anyone in recent years honestly think the possible likes of Boris, Corbyn or their ilk representing this country in that capacity. The Royal Family aren’t perfect but for me the Queen never did anything wrong, Charles I’m neutral on but I do think William will make a good King. In any event much more preferable than the alternative.
To be fair. There is a huge difference between a tribute to 97 people who were unlawfully killed and covered up for 20 years, blamed some sketching they didn’t do…. and a bunch of people that happened to be born into privilege. Don't get me wrong, I don’t hate them, don’t love them. Have absolutely no feeing towards the royal family. They impact my life in such s minor way - other than the odd bank holiday now and then, but everyone’s entitled to their own opinion on them. The city of liverpool obviously have their own feelings so are free to express it in the same way anyone’s entitled to.
Indeed. And the acts of those fans also means everyone else is free and entitled to express their own views if they think said fans are disrespectful and lacking in class and decency.
true to some regard, but a lot of those people have a reason to dislike the establishment for what they perceive they did to the city. Im sure there’s probably a lot that do it just to be seen as cool and the in thing though.
You prob know I’m not from there so I’m talking as a massive outsider and I may be way off the mark. But my understanding is it’s not necessarily aimed at the royal family per se. More at the gov and establishment for the lack of support during the thatcher years (it’s why Liverpudlians also hate thatcher) and the huge amount of unemployment that came about the city I’m sure some of the actual scousers on our board could give a much more personal opinion on it.. from website… In 2011, official papers revealed that Margaret Thatcher was indeed secretly urged to consider abandoning Liverpool to a fate of "managed decline". “In plain English that meant withdrawing resources from the region so that residents would be forced to leave,” states the Independent. “Effectively starving them out.”
Like I said… nothing? Not sure what’s so hard to understand about that. It’s not personally against him, same way it wasn’t personally about the queen (who I don’t think anyone could say a bad word about). It’s what the song/monarchy/government represents
Hmmm, so if it's not personal and just general anti establishment, do Liverpool fans also boo our national anthem (and what it represents) during England international matches? Or do they sing along to it? Or just abstain from England games completely on moral grounds?
I don’t go along with the freedom of speech arguement. Firstly, because, in reality, there is no such thing as freedom of speech and there never has been. Numerous examples exist today where you aren’t allowed to simply say what you want whenever you want. Secondly, the Thatcher arguement is so weak, especially in the North, it’s pathetic. Thatcher decimated the North in her time. ‘Managed decline’ didn’t just relate to Liverpool but to a lot of deprived inner city areas throughout the country. Mining in particular was deliberately dismantled affecting hundreds of communities in Northumberland and Durham much, much more than in Liverpool. To say Liverpudlians boo the National Anthem because of Thatcher for something she and her Government were said to have done over 40 years ago because of Thatcher when in legal terms there was nothing the Queen or the Royal Family could do is simply clutching at straws that don’t even exist. Thirdly, I agree, if Liverpudlians want to boo the National Anthem then they are perfectly entitled to do so but at the same time I am perfectly entitled to criticise those that do as being crass, boorish, ignorant, attention seeking mental pigmies who simply think it’s “clever” to do so. I used to have an Aunt who would only vote Labour because Churchill turned the guns against the miners in the Second World War. Fair enough at the time it happened but somewhat stupid reasoning 30 years later when i became aware of it. Finally, Hillsborough is a relevant comparison as it is something that is important to a lot of people. Likewise the Monarchy is important to this country regardless as to whether you agree with the concept or not. It’s not Hillsborough per se or the Monarchy per se that’s relevant it’s the importance to a significant number of people that is relevant and those others who don’t agree showing respect to others by not disrupting a tribute being paid. Ultimately it’s a question of having class. Simply because you have a contrary opinion doesn’t mean you have to express it. Unfortunately today freedom of speech is rolled out as an excuse for crass, boorish behaviour to excuse crass, boorish morons. Do those who boo the National Anthem do it every time they hear the National Anthem? I doubt it. So why this time?
I personally dispute the opinion that Liverpool fans were blameless in the Hillsborough disaster, I think it's an easier solution to just blame the coppers. I think a few people secretly agree with that opinion, but I don't think Liverpool fans would hail free speech if we all boo'd. This is Liverpool just after some attention, as per usual. Scousers are always special
The "managed decline" is such an emotive subject. As someone that lives in Merseyside (NOT Liverpool may i add), it symbolises how the mindset of a lot of the city is, sees a headline, puts on the victim hat and bangs the "feel sorry for us, we are victims drum", but doesn't ever read into it and consider what the bigger picture looked like or the rationale behind it. The "managed decline" was put forward because Liverpool's economy and potential investment potential was in freefall, so what was proposed by the government was to manage the decline, so it wasn't so bleak and start to look at what investment could be brought in a opportunities could be salvaged from the mess that was there. It's always easier to blame others rather than look at a situation and try to find a solution. As for the anti-establishment viewpoint of many, they are the noisy ones that just react to any headline/narrative going that they are a victim. Just to further illustrate the level of petty mindset around the city, Everton did a coulouring set for kids in their gift shop, but there was no red in the pack, "as we don't use that colour"!
It irritates me how people from Liverpool seem to think they are harder done by than other areas. The most neglected area in the UK is the north-east, backed up by ONS figures. There is a reverse snobbery about a lot of scousers where they revel in being badly off and not looking at how they can improve it. It isn't the majority. It's not even close. Most are good people like they are elsewhere, but that minority is a very very loud minority. It's a shame because there are genuine grievances in Liverpool's past (as there are elsewhere) but the overplaying of it gives others the chance to call bullshit on even the genuine stuff. That said, I have no issue with them booing the national anthem for the coronation. Peaceful protest is an absolute right in this country and one that is being blatantly eroded by this current government. We should all be a lot more concerned about that than we are. On a personal level I am not a fan of the monarchy. I think it's morally wrong to think people are above others by birthright. However, it also worries me that getting rid of the monarchy would create a vacuum that could be filled by far worse people - more corrupt politicians. **** knows what the answer is.
the irony is.. most of the north east don’t mention how hard done by we are or were. Folk just get on with it. There seems a completely different mentality. Well apart from the Mackems. let the dippers boo away… it will only further damage their image in the eyes of many….
