Ah, I get your point. It's true that most people use the word to mean random these days. Me being a proper smartarse of course, I meant it in its original meaning, derived from an arbiter - one who passes judgement or settles disputes. Or, in other words, a referee. It still has this meaning in words like arbitration, but the casual meaning of arbitrary as random or capricious has become more prevalent, so perhaps it was the wrong word for me to use.
You've explained your thoughts very well. I wonder If when you say this - "handball is handball if it gives you an advantage that you would not have got if the ball continued it’s natural path" - you discount the advantage that the ball hitting a shoulder, a thigh or a backside and changing it's natural path, gives. Is it just because the rules have already picked out the hand (because obviously hands are dexterous and able to deliberately alter the trajectory of a ball) and so any ball, any time touching a hand should be handball?
you could just give an indirect free kick for handball thsts not deliberate if you lads feel that strongly. not everything needs to be a penalty. case in point mo salah cl final v spurs. aurier puts hand up and its game over after 3 mins. were we going to score off it? no. never. could change the course of history.
To be honest that’s where I was going to go with this Think I mention it in a post above Just getting ready to go coaching Will reply to JB later
Moyes crying like a little bitch about the pen, the other way around and he'd be ****ing fuming. No honesty in these managers.
I’ve always felt that a penalty is much too great a reward for something that might happen right on the edge of the box, even more so on the corners or Ht the goal kick line etc. How can 1 cm make such a huge difference between a pen where almost guaranteed goal, or a free kick with say a 5% chance of a goal? Not sure that will ever change. Almost feel like for it to be a penalty it should be a foul on someone who is in a shooting position and being denied a clear shot at goal rather than someone being tripped in the corner of the box going away from goal.
Yeah, but then you'd be introducing yet another area of subjective decision making and inviting further controversy.
Yes The rules have already dictated the hand is not allowed If any of the other areas mentioned were outlawed I would feel the same. As MITO said earlier maybe a free kick is the answer It would certainly make me feel decisions such as last nights were a bit fairer I accept there was nothing Thiago could do but equally it was not West Ham’s fault and they missed out. I also feel a penalty is too much of a punishment so yes maybe a direct free kick for unintentional handball and a penalty for intentional ? I am aware that would cause discussion but nothing will be 100% I really feel penalty goals need to be brought in - always have done Suarez v Ghana best example but loads more I feel penalty goals would be a great way of controlling behaviour such as diving and in particular arguing with the ref that’s what I do with my grassroots team only last weekend I had a ref come up and compliment my squad on how polite they were to each other and the ref this is a direct result of penalty goals in training Again before I take pelters I am aware of the issues with this concept but having done it I can see how much it improves the overall game.
Thing is, you’re using the reasoning that the use of a hand is an offence. That’s not the rule. In the same way being in an offside position isn’t an offence in itself. the only reason using your hand is an offence is if it’s deliberate etc… so West Ham didn’t miss out just because it hit his hand anymore so than if it hit his head or his foot
First thing it should be Richarlison should have been deemed offside tonight for me I know by the rule he is on but I don’t agree with that rule either second thing and at risk of possibly risking repeating what I have said already I disagree with the rule I don’t care how you want to dress it up I am not going to change my mind I am not really trying to change anyone else’s mind When this was discussed with Saint we established we sit on different sides of the fence No biggie I am merely saying I disagree with the rule around handball for lots of different reasons I also know that when I played the game I could ‘fall’ and handle the ball and if ever a player was clever enough and skilled enough to do this it would be Thiago just like some players perfected the art of looking like they were trying to stay vertical but in fact going down to win penalties just like players have been clever enough to chip balls into people’s hands to force penalties these things happen in football. I believe that the current rules surrounding handball are wrong I had sympathy for West Ham last night
That’s Moyes beef. Thiago didn’t have to lunge and tackle. He could have stayed on his feet. He chose to lunge and the ball clearly struck his hand and was diverted. Another relevant question is if Thiago had done exactly the same thing but on the goal line and had prevented a definite goal. Would that have been a pen ? Even if we can agree it was accidental.
Probably me being a bit dopey but when you say penalty goal do you mean award the goal that was on it's way in, like the Suarez example, without having to take a penalty kick? If so, it's a no from me Btw I like the fact that you are using your coaching experience to be creative with discipline.
