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Postecoglou & Lange (& Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Next gaffer, who's your preference?

  1. Arne Slot

  2. Ruben Amorim

  3. Luis Enrique

  4. Ange Postocoglou

  5. Brendan Rodgers

  6. Graham Potter

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  1. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    That's true but would you be happy to have a manager who had won the Scottish League and the Europa Conference which would be the modern day equivalent.
     
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  2. PowerSpurs

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    I don't argue that they were not very good coaches but they were not transformational in the way my list was.
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

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    That might be true if it were just us. It's not, though.
    Trophies during the Premier League era have started to become monopolised by a small group of clubs.
    Three were already big and successful at the start and stayed there, while two used oil money.
    The increased revenues from the league and Europe make it very hard for others to compete.

    Utd and Arsenal started the era strongest, then got elbowed out themselves by Chelsea and City.
    Liverpool have stuck around and done fairly well, but even they've only managed one title.
    Spurs, Villa (95/96) and Everton (94/95) used to win trophies fairly regularly, now none of them do.
    Other contenders like Forest, Newcastle, Leeds, Wolves and Blackburn have all been relegated.
    They didn't immediately bounce back and struggled to return.
     
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  4. Treble

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    It's really not, success in player recruitment is a bit more refined than club x spends £1bn vs club y spends £500m.

    It's about how you spend more than how much. Clubs like Man Utd, Everton, Spurs have pissed away money whether they spent £1bn or £500m.

    The bloke running Arsenal's (probable title winning) midfield cost £30m. Zinchenko £30m, Trossard £22m, Partey £45m. Spurs pattern of spending follows one of two routes - spending similar on ****e OR buying decent players who are wasted. And the main reason for that is not how much you're spending (or not spending), it's the fact your club lacks direction from the top down.

    On the second point, the reason you have so few decent players leaving is bcos you've few decent players in the first place, but no doubt pretty much all the best players you've had (that you could have built a decent squad with, if your heirarchy actually had a plan) end up elsewhere. You can add Erikssen and Trippier to the two you mentioned.

    As for success, that comes when you win a trophy. As I posted a couple of days ago... forget sustained trophies - how about just winning one? Bcos if you managed that then players will have some belief there may be more to come. We're not talking about Leicester or Brighton, this is Spurs ffs. You're supposed to be on a par with Arsenal. So yeh, players want to play in successful sides but that starts from winning one trophy at least and you're not even managing that to give yourself even a chance of keeping them.

    It's just excuses I'm afraid, defeatest almost. It's like you're just throwing your hands up and giving up.
     
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  5. Treble

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    I agree about league titles, but not domestic cup competitions. You're as capable as anyone - Crystal Palace? West Ham? Leicester? Watford? Aston Villa? Stoke? Wigan? Portsmouth? I'm trying to think of Spurs getting to a final since 2008 in a domestic cup. I think you haven't but I could be wrong but if I put you up instead of ANY of those clubs mentioned above in the finals they played I'd fancy you to win more than them. But you're not even making a final.

    And imho if Spurs win a trophy (and they get the backroom and recruitment right) you're more than capable of building on that and achieving more.
     
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  6. PowerSpurs

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    Of course you can come up with a list of players bought cheaply who turned out well but that doesn't alter the fact that on average paying more gets you better players. The Arsenal squad has cost more than the Spurs squad and been paid more than them for years. But this is the first season in a while where they will come above us. So the charge that we have spent unwisely is also wrong.
    As for being on a par with Arsenal that's almost never been true. Except for the 60s they have always been streets ahead on average.
     
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  7. Citizen Kane.

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    Brilliant post.
     
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  8. Treble

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    Total spent does not equate to spending wisely.

    Arsenal have got more right than wrong in the past 4 yrs in terms of recruitment, not bcos they've spent more or less on individual players, but bcos they're a better run club. They have a plan that's geared towards long term success. That's it.

    And I never said Spurs are on a par, I said they're supposed to be. You're not Palace or West Ham. There were opportunities for Spurs to kick on while Arsenal were faltering and you've just not taken them.
     
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  9. PleaseNotPoll

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    Palace and Watford have never won a major trophy.
    West Ham's last one was in 1980, Villa's was in 1996 and Stoke's was in 1972.
    I'll give you Wigan and Portsmouth though, although they've crashed since.

    Our last final was in 2021.
    We lost the League Cup 1-0 to City via a goal by a player who should've been sent off.
    Bloody typical.
    Prior to that was 2019's CL final v the Scouse and the League Cup in 2015 v Chelsea.
     
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  10. Treble

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    No I know they didn't win them, I was listing clubs that made a final in the past 10 or so years. Fair enough about making the LC final in 2021, I thought there must be I just couldn't be sure. I still think you could make more though.
     
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    Look lads I got no dog in this fight. If anything I fcking hate Arsenal <laugh> but as a football purist it gets my goat the way Spurs is run. I felt exactly the same when we had that prick Eddie Woodward in charge. Accountants with zero football knowlede holding the club back and having little or no respect for the fans.
     
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  12. remembercolinlee

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    You’d rather have De Zerbi or Frank over Tuchel?
     
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  14. Citizen Kane.

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    Potentially.

    Tuchel has a reputation of falling out with board members and senior players wherever he's been. Not sure we want another one of those, irrespective of their coaching ability.
     
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    I'd rather have Chirpy over Tuchel
     
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    Tuchel is a good manager, but he'd have a meltdown after about a week.
    We'd be back in the same position pretty quickly, unfortunately.
    He's fallen out with those in charge at every club and that's when they've spent ****loads.
     
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    Potentially good news for Paratici: one of the three prosecutors accusing Juventus of financial misconduct has had to leave the case after a video came to light of him saying

    ...I've left a pause here, partly because you know it's going be good, but mainly because you've probably worked out the gist of it already

    "I am a huge fan of Napoli, I hate Juventus....As a soccer fan I care about Napoli, as a prosecutor I am against Juventus, against robberies on the pitch."

    Great news for the Lunatic Fringe, who have decided he's the scapegoat for everything!
     
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  18. remembercolinlee

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    When I was 13 or 14 I once saw a kid in my school team (keeper) dive at a strikers feet to get the ball. The striker missed the ball and hoofed him in the face.
    As he lay in the mud, crying and coughing out blood and teeth the ball was bouncing around by his knees...the same striker took another wild swing, missed again but caught the keeper full on in the nuts.
    The squelching thud noise of the kick was so loud that I heard it from the centre circle and his high pitch squeal sound like no sound a human should make.

    The keeper then had 21 teenage boys standing around him as he cried, spat out out teeth, had blood pouring from his nose and was violently puking up...and then had to lay there while we all shouted out things like "**** me look at all the blood" and "how the **** did he puke up that much?"

    He crawled off the pitch covered in snot, blood and puke while the adults tried to find his teeth.

    I would rather be that keeper and that be my groundhog day than have Tuchel as our manager.
     
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  19. KingHotspur

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    <laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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  20. PowerSpurs

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    But I still don't understand why you think Arsenal is well run? Their league position has been on the decline for years while ours has been going up. This year could make a big change to that but it still could just be a blip.
     
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