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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    Inclusivity would to portray ethnic numbers in broadly correct numbers. No one cares about absolute accuracy, but when its multiples of 6 or 7, it's clear whoever is putting it out has an agenda. Same with lgbtq. I heard a number of commentators from both communities say it's unnecessary, embarrassing and at worst, could breed resentment.

    The advertisers and programme-makers should shoulder all the blame.
     
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  2. Star of David Bardsley

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    I’d say it’s those who it breeds resentment with who have an agenda. Imagine getting upset over there being more brown faces than you’d like advertising cereal with all the **** going on in this country. More culture war nonsense to throw on the fire with the rest.
     
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    Just because you mentíon it or talk about it doesn’t mean you’re upset….or are we not allowed to ?
     
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    https://fullfact.org/immigration/suella-braverman-100-million-claim/
    1.From the UNHCR, whose job it is to look after refugees.

    2. I was trying to keep the ‘by the rules’ legal immigrants, like students and those who have the right skills background, from those arriving for other routes. By definition legal immigration, unless it is a birthright like for the Irish, must be for our benefit if we set the rules. We are not letting people in to study and work in particular jobs here out of altruism, I think.

    3. it’s really a bit of legalistic jargon and irrelevant to the discussion of principle. I’m not a lawyer, thank god. Common sense says to me that if you have claimed asylum you are an asylum seeker, not an illegal immigrant no matter how you arrived in the country. If your claim fails you are here illegally and should be deported.

    4. There were 72,000 asylum applications in the year to September 2022, and 16,400 initial decisions were made. The ‘cap’ - which is a bit of irrational stupidity in the case of refugees as it implies a fixed set of circumstances eg no Ukrainian war, no famines, no new etc - will have to be very low if we want to actually process and resettle or deport asylum seekers rather than house them in hotels for months.

    5. so, in the entirely possible event of the Chinese government turning very nasty indeed, you’d be happy for all 2.9m HK BNO holders to come here - they probably wouldn’t stagger when they come? We should have made this offer in 1997, and if we were worried about numbers made it time limited. Again, the cap, although it’s a nice bit of propaganda, is either unenforceable or inhumane.

    6. shame we are making it so ****ing difficult for them. It’s why they are risking their lives in small boats. Easy enough to say ‘present yourself at the first British Embassy you find to claim asylum in the U.K.

    7. I don’t think the Irish see their rights in the U.K. as a ‘concession’…..do we actually track the ebb and flow of Irish citizens here and Brits going there?
     
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    You’re very welcome to. I must be missing how important an issue it is.
     
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    What’s interesting and something to talk about by one person…might be inconsequential and meaningless to another.
    Doesn’t make any subject any less worthy of discussion surely ?
     
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    Do you also object to ‘colour blind’ casting in costume dramas, for example Dev Patel in David Copperfield, multiple examples from Bridgerton? Or for that matter non costume dramas, seem to be a lot more black policemen on telly than in real life, especially at senior levels…..
     
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    Absolutely not. You and Goldie and anyone else crack on about the evil left wing forces manipulating people by having a mixed race family encourage you to buy their brand of toothpaste.
     
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    No, I don't disagree with that. We also saw a black Anne Boleyn. No problem. I have nothing but disdain for the woke concept of cultural appropriation, which ironically this would presumably be, though of course, woke could not admit it in this case.

    Good actors can play many parts. Done well, a black man or woman can play a white part. An actor doesn't have to be gay to play a homosexual etc... An Indian can play an Englishman, and vica versa (but it has to be done well, and Alec Guinesses' portrayal of an Indian in Passage to India left a lot to be desired).
     
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    You make my point brilliantly. I have a mixed race family thanks, but I’m not blinkered enough to see that people like me are being used to sell more toothpaste to people like you who want to be seen as “cool”
     
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    That though, is a cool post, Stainsey :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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    Keep fighting the good fight against the powerful woke forces seeking to control all our lives.
     
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    You carry on trying to be cool…….
     
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    I must be cool if I’m buying the toothpaste the manipulators tell me to.
     
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    You sure are…….
     
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    I. The 100 million figure seems less of a lie than nuanced. And it does fly in the face of the bigger figure by the WEF

    2. Yes, the right to study is important to the Uk and the student. But many do overstay their visas, so that needs to be considered too. I've said before, I'm in favour of national identity cards as proposed by the Labour Party.

    3. I'll leave the legal bit.

    4. The cap should work because refugees are an international problem. It cannot be open ended for the UK. Other countries in Europe are waking up to this, but most of them are bigger than us with much more space. We take our share, other countries including those that have been reticent, must take theirs

    5. HK - a lot would go to the US, but sure, we'd have to accomodate those that wanted to come, which makes a cap on other applicants all the more important

    6. As I say, Afghan interpreters etc should be first on the list

    7. I expressed it as "concession", because Ireland is an independent sovereign country. It is an agreement reached between two countries as to how their respective citizens are treated.
     
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    Cereal and now toothpaste
    When will it end
    It's the same here
    Non maori make up 83 % of the population
    I think everyone else works in television
     
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    How dare you mention it…….you must be angry
     
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    There's not enough baldy midgets on tv either - you must be raging being so under-represented
     
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    I’m madder than a box of red balloons :emoticon-0121-angry
     
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