I've not seen it on a playback but my gut feeling is that it was the correct decision. Sema came back on to the pitch to play the ball but the WBA keeper and defenders were a yard or so up from the goal line. Even in "old money" Sema is offside, let alone however they make it up these days. The only thing I'm not sure of is if the ball was played by a defender to him: in which case he'd be wrong. He still had a shocker though. The assistant, that is!
don’t think he was in line of play .......but var would have struck it off , but possibly ken’s first as well , as there was an offside in build up .......var is truly awful tbh , just creates more problems and issues than it solves as it’s still a subjective human making the call .....
You're not wrong - as these show: Clip 1 Referee consults VAR then awards a penalty to Rangers... Clip 2 Referee denies Motherwell a penalty in the same match - doesn't even appear to consult VAR.. For the given penalty, yes there was shirt pulling - but the attacker was never going to outjump the defender for that cross. For the one not given, I'm fairly sure that a defender wrapping his arms around an attacker and 'guiding' him out of the way of play isn't actually allowed.
We have to be fair here. There is no VAR. I was about as in line as the lino, and nobody, players or thousands of fans, shouted “Offside!” It didn’t spring to mind at all. I know it’s his job, but it wasn’t obvious at the time. Also I think to give offside there would not have been in the spirit of the law imho.
Least we didn’t have to stand around for minutes waiting then have the time added on. 6 minutes was more than enough !
"and nobody, players or thousands of fans, shouted “Offside!” Thousands of fans shout "Offside" or "Handball" throughout every game - and the majority of the time they are wrong - so I really don't think that should be a consideration. The same applies to players - for example, many kick/head the ball out of play and appeal for the throw knowing full well that it should go to the opposition. "I know it’s his job, but it wasn’t obvious at the time." Therein lies the problem. No VAR - but would VAR have picked up on it anyway? Too often they don't. "Also I think to give offside there would not have been in the spirit of the law imho" You might have to elaborate on that. As far as I can see, the law sets out the conditions in which an offside decision is applicable. In this instance, the attacker 'met' those conditions, yet offside wasn't given. I don't think 'spirit of the law' comes into it - that's something subjective that each referee could interpret differently, and shouldn't come in to it.
1. Exactly! Thousands shout it, players all shout - but nobody did. Hence it wasn’t obvious. 2. VAR would have picked up on it, because they check every goal. 3. Yes, I realise it meets the conditions, but it’s not the sort of goal that the offside rule was intended to stop. A GK and DM found themselves in trouble because of a calamitous mistake. It wasn’t a ‘goal-hanging’ situation which is what the rule was intended to cut out. Subjective, yes. And that’s my opinion. I’m not asking for refs to make a subjective decision based on the spirit of the law, my point is, I’m not up in arms about it.
1. Their players didn't shout because they were too busy celebrating. Ours didn't shout because they were too shocked at what had happened. The fans didn't shout because they were too busy slagging Bachmann off. 2. VARs are not infallible - they do make mistakes. Just ask Arsenal about their recent match against Brentford. 3. Yes, the offside rule was introduced to counter the 'goal-hanging' situation - and stop so many goals from being scored. That all changed when not enough goals were being scored (in the 80s?) and tinkering with the rules tried to ensure that more were scored. I really don't think that calamitous defensive mistakes entered into the thoughts of those who changed the rules.
Difficult to call without seeing the whole thing, maybe the club will release "extended" highlights? My gut says to go with the original decision.
He wasn't anywhere near where he ought to have been, yet he should have been able to make a judgement call. Shocking officiating either way.
The fans didn’t shout for offside because it didn’t look it. Believe me, we do shout, most vociferously, when we think the linos make errors. I’ve singed the back of the heads of many. I have a bit of a reputation around where we sit, and it was the first match I haven’t shouted at the linesman. I did have one go at the ref, but I thought our lino was pretty good, and the ref was the best we’ve had this season imho. Not perfect, but pretty good. Most of the time the VAR does make the right calls. It’s like the EU - it’s not perfect, but I’m a fan. Defensive errors weren’t in the minds of the lawmakers, rightly so. And I think that pressing as they did, and as we do, should be rewarded. Otherwise this modern phenomenon of ‘Thou shalt always play out from the back’ will win through, and the game would be boring as hell. So, if mistakes are made, I want them to be punished. And if we are to accept that for us, we have to accept it for them.
Ooh, that’s an interesting one, HHTFC. Fez is the man, unless anyone else is sure. I believe players not on the field of play are deemed level. I think! So is he then offside? Is it that he is not allowed to gain an advantage by leaving the field of play? Not sure.
I saw it and shouted as others did; attacker was coming back from offside, it was clear from those nearby but also clear it couldn't be given due to the linesmen's position. Problem was all of us and the linesman were assuming the ball was to be cleared and he was already making his way back up the pitch so wasn't in line.
No one shouted where I was, Chris. You need to be louder. Funnily enough, we were pretty much in line, and no one shouted near us. Disappointment, yes, but no offside shouts.
