Well if you’re the man in the street, if you’re in politics, have good accountants or make billions in profit but apparently you’re not based in the uk then they don’t bother
my question here is simple: how much did city breach ffp by each year? Simple answer: We can't know as city refused to cooperate with the investigation and the over 100 charges or offenses are TBD for scale of over spend. For exmaple net spends tells me this: 2009/10 117mil 2010/11 129mil 2011/12 53mil 2012/13 15mil 2013/14 95mil 2014/15 65mil 2015/16 127mil 2016/17 162mil 2017/18 204mil 2018/19 18.9mil 2019/20 88mil 20/21 91.5mil 21/22 36mil Now this doesn't tell us much about agents fees, wages under the table, managers fees etc etc but it does tell us there is quite a spend every year there with not real worry about affordability Even if you take the 3 years from 2015 to 2018 there's a net spend of nearly 500mil, now they only started doping the revenues after the big case with UEFA so That spend looks to me like getting ready for a 2 year transfer ban and laughing in the case's face. there's zero way their revenues could allow that spend and wages. But lets not forget Chelsea have just done the same out of 2 windows in 6 months. 580 odd million? we might as well be watching 100m sprinters line up in the starting blocks by snorting the white line in front of them. "ready, snort, go"
Former UEFA chief explains why Premier League have 'stronger case' against Man City than they did Man City have been charged by the Premier League with over 100 breaches of their league rules. The former chief investigator for UEFA has suggested that the Premier League have a 'stronger case' against Manchester City than the European governing body did when the Blues were initially banned from competing in Europe for two seasons. On Monday, the Premier League announced that they had charged City with more than 100 breaches of league rules, with breaches allegedly coming across the last 14 years. Several of the breaches relate to finances, and the Blues - if found guilty - potentially face fines, points deductions and even expulsion. It comes three years after City were slapped with a two-year ban from European football and a €30million fine by UEFA for breaching their Financial Fair Play regulations back in 2019. However, in 2020, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) overturned the ban from European football, with the club instead forced to pay €10m for failing to cooperate. The charges brought by the Premier League will not be under the scope of CAS. Instead, any punishment would be decided by an independent commission. Yves Leterme, who led UEFA's investigators against City, has suggested that the fact City cannot appeal to CAS makes the Premier League's case stronger. "That would make this case stronger. And then there is another element: the scope of the complaint is now broader than that at UEFA. Both in time and in substance," Leterme told Sporza. "Especially because the Premier League does not have to adhere to the same strict limitation periods as we do. We encountered a period of five years, which meant that we could not use important elements. "There was a total lack of transparent flow of financial information. With a battery of lawyers, they did everything they could to counter the work of our auditors. In addition, it turned out that money from sponsorship was actually paid by the owner. "Finally, there were also the ambiguities surrounding contracts. However, thanks to emails and bank statements, we had hard evidence. "The problem, however, was that UEFA's ruling could be contested with an arbitration committee, which does not fall under the real judiciary. Those arbitrators are always drawn from 10 to 12 of the same people and can reduce the sentence because they consider it too severe." https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ll-news/man-city-uefa-premier-league-26176227 out of the mouth of the former UEFA bribetaker. sorry official himself. fake sponsorships.
Yeah but nothing will be done and as I have said before I don’t see why something should be done how does it differ to what we did in the 80s offering higher wages than everyone else could offer or AC Milan buying players like panini stickers to sit on the bench Chelsea came in and took everything to a new level City came in and pissed all over Chelsea’s spend leicester - everyone’s fairytale Cheated the **** out in the championship but no one cared but their spend to say a Crewe or a Lincoln was just as unattainable - and they broke rules but no one batted an eyelid do I prefer teams that have built it - yeah course I do But reality is money talks for me the most logical thing in the world to do is give them what they want Stick all the greedy **** house clubs in a league together. Never let them darken their home leagues ever again - ever - not the youth teams not the women’s teams Nothing then punters can either watch it or not If people watch it - and it makes a profit - then they were right I wouldn’t watch it - just like I didn’t the World Cup but Quatar proved who would watch and therein lies the paradox
well it clearly differs 1. in the 1980s LFC spent LFC money not Moores' money to pay wages. Success bred success. Exactly the same way manu utd paid for old trafford build out and milked that to dominate. 2. AC milan, similar story, success breds success. It was simply not a state sponsored propaganda campaign. 3. yes chelsea's rotton oligargh owner came in and pushed the thing to crazy levels. 4. Yes city came in and pushed it further If the logic is to do that then the logic is to have a super league where city decamp from Manchester and bring the club to thier home and play this super league, and the same can be said of where ever. you'll then have entire cities bereft of their childhood teams and disenfranchised fans. this is the American franchise model after all. and when the dust all settles and the city of liverpool has no football club at all then what do you say? Cos in the end thats the logical end point if you don't stand up for what is right. and what is right is a club like leicster living the dream (rich owners or not) or a club like Southampton or leeds not run by packs of rabid idiots who have no clue and ruin them. whats right is a club like Brighton being able to build something form nothing. A club like Bournemouth to be nowhere and build up to being a premier league club. having a side with about 50 odd senior pros and signing more or another club paying millions a week under the table and stealing every player these clubs find just to warehouse them is not right. the fact Qatar world cup was watched just shows the corruption and willingness to play along for gain. the propaganda being sold to make it "ok" to watch whas absolutely pathetic.
its easy be cynical but if you think about the 1980s. Everton were in rag order before kendall was appointed in 1981. they won the fa cup in 1984 and league in 1985. thats 3 good years of building up. Imagine you are brighton today and could get 3 good years with these players like whoever. cucurella, macaliister, caicedo etc etc. they could actually win something. it'll never happen though. and yes bosman ruling changed that more than anything.. but these clubs could actually dream.
Exactly. I don't 100% agree with FFP. I do 100% believe cheaters should be held accountable. This will never happen, but, if you cheat in a manner the punishment is relegation. And do it for 10 years, you should be banned from that league for 10 years. If City has cheated in the last ten seasons, they should be held in the Championship for ten years. If only found guilty for one, they should only be held down for one.
50 charges are for accuracy of financial information and reporting 8 charges are for breaches of reporting of manager renumeration 12 charges are for breaches of reporting on player renumeration 5 charges are for breaches of UEFA regulations 25 charges are for breaches of rules around profitability and sustainability 30 charges are for failure to co-operate and assist with Premier League investigations The big question is how will an independent panel (consisting of 3 barristers/lawyers) interpret the seriousness of these breaches? They should view them as they would breaches of any company rules without the emphasis on it being football related. Will they do that or will they weigh up the impact on fans etc, ?
Honestly, the only thing that gives me any hope is that it IS an independent panel. Premier League would flake and give them a £10k fine.
I think the first time they got caught they were fined £47m.................reduced to £17m on appeal iirc.
There were rules back then Not to the same degree - bigger clubs would offer incentives that a lesser developed club could offer until you cut out all player movement and insist on players coming from the local area it will always be the case (I know that can’t happen ever btw) lawyers will argue that rules haven’t been broken So if lawyers prove that they haven’t broken rules will you guys accept it ? I am not saying that what they did in the 80s is identical but it’s all relative Liverpool AC Milan all mopped up the best players Sky cam along the season Liverpool had a quiet one and Utd took advantage It’s just a different level now in terms of numbers the clubs that seem irked about this are the dethroned clubs imho we have managed to compete with City Arsenal are going to win the league this season Guess I just see this one differently to you guys as for the bit about not having a local club to support There are plenty of local clubs in the Pyramid in the Merseyside area if Liverpool became a franchise if you didn’t want to watch what they have become this is all imho
Oh and Leicester broke FFP and we’re found guilty so hardly a role model but because it happened in the Championship and they didn’t get relegated they got away with it and Prem team supporters didn’t care or notice
they exploited the rules. those were the rules for the championship at the time. again this is over many seasons and on a grand scale. football either draws a line or it just admits its a power struggle between one corrupt organisation (uefa) and mega rich clubs and nobody else matters. the irony if you like is the Premier league was created out of big club greed anyway but its now defending the game against mega rich club
Exploiting the rules may be a way of attempting to explain it The fact was - they were found guilty and settled their fine - therefore they broke the rules The premier league was absolutely made up from greedier clubs and I see no difference between that and the ESL Ironically Everton were one of them I understand the ESL is essentially a closed shop in its previous design but the Prem isn’t far off that - I would also add that because of teams trying to break into the Prem or trying to stay in the Prem many of them put themselves in harms way whilst the super six magnificent seven or great eight all grow fatter seems like a simple case of jealousy to me at the base of all this some posters are honest like Sucky some would be horrified if we went down a certain route Imho neither are wrong ESL is a product of the monster created I don’t think we should be restricting the clubs financially But from the analogy earlier about 100m sprinters doing a line - I actually think they should have a clean and a dirty Olympics So I know I am weird lmao
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