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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Mackem-Tiz, Feb 3, 2023.

  1. Mackem-Tiz

    Mackem-Tiz Well-Known Member

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    How can a centre half by trade be so attacking minded?...
     
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    Essayyeffcee Well-Known Member

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    Cos he's got his head ****ing screwed on?
     
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  3. Mackem-Tiz

    Mackem-Tiz Well-Known Member

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    I just find it strange that a naturally defensive player is an attacking type manager.
     
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  4. Nacho

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    It's my theory that most good managers were centre backs or defensive minded midfielders, not sure why it's the case.

    If they've got a flair for attacking football maybe it's because they spent their career either watching their team attack from a distance or figuring out how to stop the opposition scoring and have plenty of ideas about it by the time they retire.
     
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  5. Oliver's Army

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    I'd go along with this. He will know the defensive qualities needed to keep it tight but also he will know what defenders hate so can exploit it.

    Most defenders/defensive midfielders are more team players imo, whereas flair/attacking players are more selfish and will do their own thing. Messi or Ronaldo won't be managers, where as I think Jordan Henderson will be.
     
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  6. Mackem-Tiz

    Mackem-Tiz Well-Known Member

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    I still struggle to fathom how someone who is defensive by nature is so attacking in management.
     
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    Cloughie
    Just the exception to prove the rule...
    ...perhaps
     
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  8. Teessidemackem

    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    Maybes hes sick of hearing about defending haha.
    No idea but so far hes been faultless mate so long may it continue.
    It was funny hearing him say hes personal friends with Dyche aswell and they both have been communicating throughout the window. It goes to show hes been in this game a very long time and is respected by fellow managers
     
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  9. Nacho

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    I think that's true, if you look at the current prem all the top managers used to be either defenders or deep lying midfielders. It's just an observation but it seems to be fairly accurate.

    Man U, Chelsea, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Fulham, Spurs, Saudi FC, all managed by defensive minded ex players.
     
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    I thought Steve Bruce had an eye for good attacking players and we were quite attack minded under him. All his tactics and ideas.

    KS seems to be leading how we play, so he'll have told Mowbray that he must play attack minded football and be on the front foot. Defensive footy wont be accepted under these guys.
     
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    You OK Tees?
    Quite worrying that mate.
    Diana Ross....Ha'way man.
     
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    Love a bit of Ultravox
     
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    yvonne elliman innit?
     
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    Snaggey Well-Known Member

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    You're right....I always thought it was D.R.
     
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  17. Hamish 1973

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    Shame we didn't get him in years ago. Loving having him as our manager, he loves our club.
    Edit, sorry did not see the other thread, 3 sheets to the wind tonight:1980_boogie_down:
     
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  18. polyphemus

    polyphemus Well-Known Member

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    Interesting Thread.

    Curiosity took me to the list of former Managers.
    Defenders predominate and most of these were Centre Half's, when playing.

    Alan Brown, George Hardwick. Bob Stokoe, Jimmy Adamson, Billy Elliott, Len Ashurst, Lawrie the Enemy, Dennis Smith, Mick McCarthy, Steve Bruce, Sam Allardyce. David Moyse, Chris Coleman,
     
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  19. Draig

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    Could also reflect a pay differential between strikers and defenders making more defenders have to keep on earning?

    Certainly something that will be more applicable in the last 10 years or so.

    Overall I'm more inclined to go with central defenders organising the whole defence, working out the opposition's attacking play and trying to counter it.

    Defensive midfielders will do a lot of this, but rather than organising the defence they will be covering in front of them.
     
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  20. FellTop

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    Really interesting question this.

    My sense is defenders see the whole of the game all of the time. Everything ia in front of them. They should therefore always be the most aware whilst on the pitch. A captain at the back is always the way to go for this reason in my opinion. No excuse for not seeing anything. Also worth expoloring how many captains become managers, because in general they will be part of the managers inner circle.

    Here is anothet theory, based only on my experience with players. Centre halves and centre mids are really unselfish and they want to listen all the time. Those more creative sorts, or goalscorers, have less interest in the overall tactical side of the game. That is a generalisation I know. I am coaching a centre back currently who has missed academy football for some reason. He is 16 and I am getting him into mens semi pro and he is flying. All because he is listening and has a great brain on him. Be amazed if in 4 years he isnt playing in the pro game. He just wants every last bit of info.

    My last thought is everyone wants to see lovely football. Defenders are often players that fancy themselves as beckenbauer. Why not get rid of their inner frustration of a playing career by producing something you really want to watch.
     
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