Nathan Jones sacked as Saints er....."manager"

Not all of the football has been hoof, though with Big Paul there may be more of that? I’m hoping that if he can engineer such a fine result against City, then he has something. I also don’t mind the us and them mentality, could be useful. It’s just the 5 at the back conundrum. Being pragmatic is also recognising it doesn’t work! Hope he gets it right, but still uncertain.

 

Interesting. Think Sally does a good job, but picking that formation as a starting point at the expense of our natural attacking left back is a tad frustrating!

 

Good call. I have all my ‘smart’ devices on a separate VLAN and do run them local where possible. This RoboVac is made my Anker/Eufy and has local control (if you get the local key from the device) so I have disabled outgoing internet access on it.

One thing I recommend if anyone has a spare raspberry pi is to install Adguard Home or PiHole on it and point your router DNS to it. In my IOT LAN it blocks 57% of outgoing requests. In my normal LAN I also use one and I still have 15-25% of requests (ie ads and trackers) blocked.

Off topic, but hopefully helpful to some.

 

I don't give a **** about his religious beliefs.

I don't give a **** about his interviews.

I do care about one single league win since he's come in

I do care that his stubbornness with his formation costs us games.

I do care that SR are arrogant enough to believe that the Luton manager (who massively failed at Stoke) was good enough for our club.

The underdog mentality that you like and think we should admire is half the reason the club try to sell us the idea that we should be grateful to even be in the league. Small time mentality.

(There's a reason we were written off before the Newcastle games. Didn't we lose both of them?)

No amount of admiration for his spiky press conferences change the fact we're bottom of the league. No win against City/Palace in the Cup makes up for forest/villa/fulham/Brighton.

It was absolutely right to get rid of Ralph, it's madness to replace him with someone much, much worse

 

Nah not about the City game, I just believe in giving managers an actual chance rather than a month or two, and in my book that's around half a season minimum.

He came into a ****, nearly impossible, situation and replaced a very popular manager despite him doing dreadfully for a year and many fans hated him from the off which was grossly unfair.

Most people agreed that the squad as it was was going down so now we have new signings he deserves some time to see what he can do to implement his style on the team. Remember Ralph was given the 'not his squad' excuse for 3 seasons!

I think the earliest I've wanted a manager gone is Pellegrino in November time and with him I couldn't even see what he was trying to achieve style wise or any noticeable difference. That's not true with Jones as I think its clear what he's trying to do It's just not quite working yet and there are certain aspects where we've improved.

I don't want to become Watford who sack coaches willy nilly as soon as there are setbacks. We (SR) made our choice as to who we think is the right man to save us and should have the bottle to see it through now we've backed him in January.

 

To be fair, Newcastle do something very similar with Burns at left black. Often he slots back in, but he can definitely pass better than Salisu.

 

I do think this appointment has demonstrated confirmation bias in a fantastic way.

When we appointed Ralph many people decided he was brilliant and therefore all comments started with that narrative and twisted round it despite any evidence to the contrary. For example the not his squad stuff mentioned above and how it was definitely Super Kelv's fault that we weren't very good.

Whereas when we appointed Jones many decided he was dog **** and therefore base every observation on that narrative. Like after the Palace game where there was a clear improvement but people wanted to focus on our goals coming from defensive errors. Yet none of these posters acknowledged that without our own defensive errors we'd have been unbeaten against Forest and Fulham (and arguably Brighton too) as far as I can recall.

We're even seeing it in comments based on their interviews. Ralph made a quip about a washing machine and everyone fought it was hilarious and wanted to fondle his testicles. Jones made a comment about being from a working class mining town to try and say he was up for the fight that's needed and got absolutely slaughtered.

As someone who reads a lot of stuff on psychology I find it genuinely fascinating.

 

Book recommendation. Off topic.

The Devil You Know by Dr Gwen Adshead.

Think you’ll really enjoy it.


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Yeah just had a look and seems right up my street, cheers.

Ordered!

 

Book rec - Skandar and the unicorn thief

loved it

 

Is it based on the benefits of brexshit as propounded by Risky Rich, the Moggladyte, Gove the nose and the rest of the rabble that would have us believe the bollocks they spout?

 

No politics please. Fanks

 

Sorry, I should have prefixed my post with "off topic" to have avoided censure.

 

The strangest thing is that these people think that their negativity will improve things as it points out what is going wrong! Sorry to say it doesn't work like that, we already know what is going wrong, we don't need constant lectures, it's preaching to the converted. It willl only make things worse. What we need to do is to support and encourage what we have got, to change and improve things in the hope that fate has a change of mind and gives us something to work with.

However, knowing what is wrong is the first step in understanding what is needed, as I see it some large steps have already been taken to address the problems, as a Supporter our job is to encourage and back them, while still asking for more. Good things come to those who wait, Rome wasn't built in a day, Saints success is going to take a tad longer.

 

I fully admit I know nothing much about football. I was a ****e goalie in Saturday afternoon junior leagues and Sunday morning stuff. I never managed or coached when I stopped playing as getting people to do simple things on the pitch when I played nearly drove me insane so trying to run a team in that standard would have finished me.

Can anyone please explain why Jones, the players, the team, played as they did against Manchester City and then revert right back to some fairly poor tactics and play?

I know we are all humans and can't perform like a faultless machine week-in-week-out but it is baffling me now.

For me it makes no discernable sense.

 

Does anyone else find themselves in the weird position that they are hoping he gets removed to try and save the our PL status, but if we get relegated and he is still here wouldn’t mind him staying in charge for the Championship.

I don’t feel he can keep us up for a wide variety of reasons, but feel his experience and relative success in the Championship (bar Stoke) could make him useful there.

Just a right tools for the job kind of scenario.

 

I have a some similar feelings yeah. I do want to see what he can do with the new signings though.

 

And the reality of the situation is, that having spent around £60 million in this window specifically to address problems that both the last manager and the current one struggled with, Sport Republic will also want to see what Nathan can do with the new signings.

So that begs the question: at what point do they decide between “yes, that’s working” and “no, he’s going to take us down”? Although there are currently 18 games left, do they already have a cut-off number beyond which they can’t trust Jones to go? Do they already have a backup plan to replace him? Will we have to wait until Jason Wilcox joins in the summer to have some influence into football matters, or do we have to rely solely on Rasmus Ankersen until then?

****ed if I know any of those answers, what do you lot think?

 

I think that NJ has done enough already in the short time he has been here to at least see out the season barring a truly horrific run of results.
The attacking options that have come in may well tip the balance from narrowly losing matches to gaining more points but the defence have to be better also especially at set plays.
I think we'll stay up and a deep run in the FA Cup would be a nice bonus.

 

There are a few scenarios that play out over the rest of the league season that I can see:

1) We start winning games and survive pretty comfortably. In this scenario Jones rightly stays on

2) We win enough games that we survive, but still look pretty **** in the main and probably survive more to do with other teams being **** and not us being good. Jones probably stays on as he has done his job of keeping us up

3) We win some games but ultimately just go down. In this situation I assume Jones would be gone, but could also see the thinking that he would be a good fit to bring us back up. Whether he stays or goes will probably depend on how we play overall

4) We continue being **** and are relegated easily. Jones would be sacked in this scenario

Depending on your view point outcome 2 could be the worst long term, a Mark Hughes type situation. Obviously is good that we remain in the league, but with a potentially not very good manager.