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Match Day Thread F.A. CUP BRIGHTON V LIVERPOOL

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Garlic Klopp, Jan 22, 2023.

  1. Darwinism

    Darwinism Well-Known Member

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    Agree with the main gist. Like Klopp said about himself he was never the greatest ever last season nor is he the worst manager now that the team is not getting results. Same with the team. Almost takes a miracle to be champions or remain title challengers over a long period.
     
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  2. quinneristops

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    It’s not all doom and gloom and for 60 minutes or so yesterday, we did not look bad. Their opening goal was a fluke but at halftime, a draw was about right on the balance of play. The media and the haters love to wallow in our misfortune, hopefully we will get through this season and rebuild in the Summer
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

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    I wouldn't go so far as fluke but it was lucky AFTER we made a piss poor header that dropped to centre of goal perfect for a shot. they then got lucky cos we coughtled up a shot.

    same as their second goal. all defenders packed in on top of each other for safety. nobody reading back stick on either post and Robertson panics and jumps at their player rather than going for ball.
     
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  4. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Strange game - I know it's another defeat but we weren't;t that bad for a change.

    The issue was at 60 mins when we took Naby off for Henderson, and arguably Darwin coming on. Both subs impacted our defensive structure massively, especially RCM. And before anyone thinks I'm having a go at Hendo, this is not a Hendo issue - his legs have clearly gone and it's down to the manager to limit his mins and try to find a new role for him.

    Up until 60 mins, our midfield 3 had really good control and defended well. Others had laughed, but whether we like or not, Naby is our best RCM option however we can't rely on him to play every game.

    Fab only played 5-10 mins but it was diabolical however the midfield had lost control already because of the Hendo sub.

    The scary thing is that we now have to rely on Bajetic, Thiago and Naby in midfield until the end of the season ... let's see how long they last.
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

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    I've been naby's biggest defender singe post world cup. Its plain as anything what's going on. he's been out that long klopp is not willing to risk it.

    I don't think they were particularly wonderful after about 30mins. They were ok. Naby's influence is not being talked about enough. Thaigo on the other side is as sloppy as ****

    If you take off naby, have bajcetic on a card and leave thiago on of course the whole thing is going to go to pot. henderson was running on more but Thiago didn't sit in a double pivot. Tactically it was poor.

    we also stuck on milner who then was up against their fastest and best player. so we ****ed the right side in one fell swoop there.

    in any event we gifted them the winner though poor control, poor clearances and we'd kicked thier players off the park so if it went to extra time it was purely down to us just being poor.

    I'm just getting annoyed we steadfastly refuse to switch gakpo from no 9 when he is patently not one.
     
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  6. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Which is why Klopp deserves a lot of the blame this season, along with the owners.

    Henderson is shot now, to the point even him coming on for a cameo will seriously impact our team. Henderson was constantly too high up which then left huge gaps in behind. But the same with Fab as well.

    Players are too slow and cannot make challenges.

    If only we anticipated the need for midfielders sooner ...
     
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  7. Solid_Air 2

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    In full agreement with this though i thought Hendo's legs weren't the problem but from the moment he came on both him and Thiago joined the press ( presumably under instruction ) but with 2 new(ish) players and 3 ageing ones it was far too easy for Brighton to pass round / thru it to get an exposed defence .
     
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  8. Solid_Air 2

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    think we all agree Henderson played too high up the pitch <laugh>
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

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    And yet we created no chances. Which was frustrating as several shots or crosses could have been tried but we didn't and turned back.

    It was still better than the last game at brighton.

    What frustrated me though was we needs to learn nothing form game 1 in terms of pressing.

    Gakpo stood between the two CBs and went at neither so it was far too comfortable for Brighton to play out
     
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  10. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    He's running around but he's not involved in winning duels. He played 40 mins but was only involved in 1 duel, whereas Naby played 60 and contested 6.

    This is the problem with Hendo and Fab, is that they're no longer involved in duels let alone winning them.
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Yes but we could adjust tactics to make this work.

    as solid said if the two slow arses both go forward then trott back you are leaving an 18 year old whos' on a yellow all on his own.

    Should have gone 4231. By all means stick on milner but stick him in front of trent and then park thiago beside bajcetic. and tell salah to go to 10 and gakpo lw.

    The players are only able to do what they do. the tactics have to find the way to use them. 20mins of milner launching the ball at nunez or allowing overlaps with trent would be better than what we did (take the entire right side to bits)


    EG.

    Alisson
    Trent Konate gomez Robertson
    Bajcetic Thaigo
    Milner salah gakpo
    Nunez

    While milner is old man time he as consistently shown this season an ability to run on when put on for 30mins. This would be at lest SOME effort and using what thiago has left and being more secure as a side.
     
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  12. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Looks like we sacrificed the attack to become more solid defensively, which has worked to some extent because teams are no longer cutting through us (when Baj, Naby and Thiago play at least).

    I do think our attack will be a lot better once we inject it with more pace with Diaz, and more directness from Jota.

    Gakpo has a lot more to do offensively, but he has come in and defended well from the front. Another reason why we look a little more solid
     
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  13. mighty_stevie_g

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    Agree, I think we’d have had better results if Nunez had been fit enough to start the last 3 games as we’d have a proper pace threat at the other end.

    it’s just been one thing after another but even that has to be questioned now tbh, our injury record is atrocious
     
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  14. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Yep, Darwin is carnage both in a good and bad sense. Perhaps he would have helped create more chances but he doesn't offer the same defensive discipline that Gakpo does.

    Completely agree - the strength and conditioning dept at the club needs to be help accountable for this. We have so many muscle injuries.
     
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  15. Zanjinho

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    I actually thought Hendo showed more energy, unfortunately it disrupted the shape
     
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  16. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    The energy is useless when he's not using it to attack or defend.
     
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  17. Solid_Air 2

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    people are replying to your "his legs have gone" comment and just pointing out that wasn't the problem while not disagreeing with the fact that his (and others) introduction disrupted the team .
     
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  18. saintKlopp

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    Headline on the Beeb site:
    Nostradamus strikes again.
    Apparently people get paid for this stuff.
     
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  19. Zorba

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    I personally wouldn't put any great faith in Jota . Wasn't totally convinced by him and after this long lay off wonder if he'll ever be as 'good' again.Got a feeling in me water he's done at top level footie.
     
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  20. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Anyone from Yorkshire is a tyke <ok>
     
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