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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by BillysStatue, Jan 14, 2023.

  1. sniffer1

    sniffer1 Well-Known Member

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    Bamford coming back means the pressure is off attack for once , but the pressure is still on our defence and has been for 2 seasons now , this season and last season , we still have championship players in our defence who are not good enough to up their game , Cooper is one of them, too slow and cracks under pressure , Llorente not premiership class either, koch has on and off games not used his game yet to premiership football and also we are still shipping goals when this stops shipping goals that's when I will have more beliefs .
     
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    Interesting game to bring up as an example Billy.

    here are the goals from spurs Leeds… a game where we were the better side in most people’s opinions.
    https://www.skysports.com/premier-l...league-highlights?dcmp=TottenhamvLeeds2022VOD

    What I see is Leeds 1st and 3rd goals being examples of marsch ball - one from possession and one from transition. Both requiring quick vertical passes to narrow forwards making runs. To some this is just the players ‘doing stuff on their own’. But it’s what they practice every day.

    The spurs goals… well:
    - goal 1… blatant foul on keeper
    - goal 2… switch off from throw in and Goalkeeper error
    - goal 3, poor defensive header across goal from cooper - a no no in football since time began… and a lucky deflection
    - goal 4… the one picked by Billy to highlight our narrow defensive problems. Firstly we had gone to back 5 to try and see the game out so we’re no longer playing ‘marsch ball’. Secondly we weren’t overloaded at that side, all the players were marked. Cooper got rolled badly. No one tracked runners. Koch was Koch.

    Just my take on the goals. Draw your own conclusions.
     
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  3. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    We had them and the players threw the game away. Nothing to do with Marsch and his tactics.
     
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  4. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    Bielsa said he was happy to work with the squad he had which was always a risk. We needed a bigger squad of senior players and so it proved. So the club should have gone over Bielsas head and signed players. Failure to do so has resulted in this rebuilding period we are experiencing.Can Marsch keep us up which is the only ambition Leeds seem to have this season.
    We have the chance for a good cup run with our easy draw.
     
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  5. BillysStatue

    BillysStatue Well-Known Member

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    Bielsa would never publicly criticise the club ... he would also never publicly say he wanted more players as it would belittle his squad ... we know Bielsa wanted more players because Kinnear admitted that there were at least three Bielsa targets that Leeds failed to get over the line

    Please stop trying to find reasons why Bielsa was bad, because he never was
     
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    BillysStatue Well-Known Member

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    Let's look at that last goal and Marsch's tactics ... Leeds 3-2 up and in complete control ... Spurs midfield unable to control the game and struggling to keep possession ... Marsch, after being battered by Phil Hay on a lack of a Plan B decides to prove to everyone that he has a Plan B ... he takes off a midfielder and brings on a defender, immediately sacrificing space in midfield ... this allows Spurs to start pushing higher up the field, giving them a spare man in the middle to pivot around and build attacks ... suddenly Spurs are in control and Leeds are unable to get out of their half

    Spurs now also have a free runner coming from deep into the penalty area because there is no midfielder to pick him up ... and just like that Spurs turn the game around because they are able to get behind the Leeds defence and get late runners into the box ... the Spurs winner is a classical example of the extra midfielder being able to find the space to score ... Marsch's tactical change was the reason that game turned, nothing else ... he invited the pressure, allowed Spurs to get control and they punished us ... it was as clear an example you could wish to have of a manager not understanding game management ... there was no need to go five at the back, in fact Leeds were looking the more likely to score at that point
     
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  7. milkyboy

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    so you agree now then Billy … the last goal had nothing to do with marsch’s narrow formation causing an overload

    and you agree we were the better team whilst we played ‘marsch ball’. In ‘complete control’ away at a top6 side, not bad considering our clueless manager.

    no one’s disputing the subs changed the game for the worse - but if he didn’t make them and they scored anyway - because of individual defensive errors and a flukey deflection… (which is what the goals were) then you and others would criticise him for not defending the lead.

    Irrespective of our changes, As the home side, a goal down, they would have thrown players forward and we would have instinctively dropped off. It happens time and again in football,
     
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  8. 2 pennth

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    Quite a few on here like to blame Marcelo for everything
    Cast your minds back to December 2021
    Radrizzani came clean and publicly stated that there was no money in the kitty for January transfers and in order to spend in the summer window we would have to sell players
    Marcelo himself stated he was aware of the financial constraints within the club
    For what it’s worth I think Marcelo was hung out to dry by radrizzani and Orta
     
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  10. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Do you just make it up as you go along? <doh>
     
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    Do you do irony?
     
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    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Could just be an ironic statement.
     
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    2 pennth Well-Known Member

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    You know it’s 100% accurate, so what do you wish to dispute <laugh>
     
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    2 pennth Well-Known Member

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    Or even moronic<doh>
     
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    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    We have very differing opinions.

    It is of my opinion that Bielsa CHOSE not to make more Summer 2021 signings and January 2022 signings. I see no evidence of Radz publicly saying there was no money in January. It was widely speculated that Bielsa turned down the chance to take to take Donny Van de Beek, Deli Ali and one other I can't remember.

    I suspect Bielsa was looking to quit in the Summer, and having beaten West Ham and Burnley early Januay thought Leeds were strong enough to keep their heads above water, and wanted to leave his predecessor more spending money.

    Marsch saved Leeds from relegation when Bielsa's team was leaking goals like a sieve, and still hasn't had a proper opportunity to make as many changes as he would like as there's so much crap to get rid of. We lost an England and Brazilian International in the Summer, yet Marsch has conceded less goals from more games since taking over (compared to Biela's 26 games in charge last season).

    People criticise Marsch for not changing his tactics, though Bielsa would never change his starting line up (unless of injury), formation or tactics, and would reveal the starting line up every week (until the club were forced to stop him) but was considered a tactical genius! I don't get it!!!!!!! His signings (apart from Raphinha) were poor, and has a poor Managerial record as far as trophies are concerned. No wonder he's widely known as El Loco (The Madman).

    Leeds fans are widely criticised for living on past glories, but whilst I'm grateful for what he's done, its time to move on. We should back Marsch, let him assemble his own squad and then judge him.
     
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    Delli Ali is gash, fact and even the Turks want shut of him and there’s a viral video called Why Delli Ali is crap, on you tube. van Der Beek has played around 7 games since this story emerged so please Matt STFU unless you deffo know more than Bielsa
     
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    Whilst you make really good points, as does Emu in defence of Marsch, I can’t get over how appalling his win ratio has been of late. When are the results going to come if we keep “performances like this”? Because if this is his best we are in trouble.
     
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    He might just get us relegated whilst assembling his squad.
     
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    I don't want to speak for Milky but I think both of us have said that Marsch's tactics aren't great. It looks like me and Milky are big Marsch fan boys but for me Marsch gets blamed for everything that goes wrong at the club. I'm not gonna go over old ground but I believe Marsch has made us a better squad and alot harder to beat than when he took over. I can see progress. Listen, it's not perfect. It's far from perfect but I've seen enough in the way we stay in games that with a little more fortune this season we should be a good 5 or 6 points better off at least.

    This is only his 2nd transfer window. All I want to do is give him the opportunity to do his thing. I've said over and over that this window is the one that will make or break him at Leeds.
     
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  20. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    i have really no idea who you think you are ....<laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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