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No matter how much money comes into clubs it all goes out again. Forest 'hit the jackpot' with promotion then spent it all. If they're relegated they're in trouble.

Football is in a mess.

If a team of top accountants were brought in to look at the game, as a whole, they'd be horrified.

 

Be foaming even more when they realise they have just become a "feeder club".

 

Actually if you think about it, wouldn't money / sponsorship going out of the game actually help the smaller clubs as wages / agent fees would have to go down to accommodate the drop in income.

The championship is probably the biggest financial basket case in all world football, clubs spending million after millions chasing the "dream" of the premiership

 

English football attracts so much money because Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea are popular in Asia. Put them in a super league and Sky aren't even offering close to half of the money. People aren't getting up in the middle of the night in America or Asia to watch Brentford v Brighton. It just isn't happening.

The autumn internationals on Amazon is great. But it's not second tier competition. Without the money, all the best players will go to the super league. Neutrals just aren't as interested in watching 2nd tier competition.

If Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool leave then English football as an elite sport is over.

Even if it was somehow to thrive, it doesn't mean the same anymore. Those 3 teams are the most successful of all time. Without them, everything is devalued.

 

So all the best players go to the super league, as opposed to now where all the best players go to the to 6. Struggling to see a difference.....

I don't agree that everything would be devalued, would Swindon winning promotion from league 2 to a new top division be devalued because the big 6/7 have left?

There is also the positive of proper cup competitions again, rather than the ****e they have become.

It's an interesting discussion that's for sure

 

I think this is very true, sadly. The current prem TV deal is worth around £5bn and I would bet more than half of that is thanks to the big clubs and their superstars. It is sad but reality. They would do well to get £2bn next time without them. The impact in this country would be felt for years and years. Clubs would disappear, we would lose the pryamid, kids would have nowhere to play, and no clubs to play for. Sounds doomsday like, I think for English football it would be.

 

Clubs in league 2 rely on the £3.75 and a bag of haribos they get from the current TV deal.....

 

The difference is that the TV rights is paying everyone because they want to see those players at the top 6 clubs. Take them out and the TV companies aren't paying you. I'm not just talking about the top 6 either - at the minute West Ham, Newcastle, Leicester etc can beat the likes of Milan or Ajax to players because the Premier League pays more. You'd end up losing all of the best players from the the teams 7-20th as well.

Whoever wins the league post Super League has done so in an inferior competition. That's a massive asterisk beside any trophy to me.

But the main part of this whole argument that is missed in my opinion is why we're blaming the football clubs. By allowing a super league and kicking them out, we're letting these rich, foreign owners take our great sporting institutions away. The solution has to involve wrestling them back from foreign control and creating a fairer league with the great names of Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal included.

 

A quick example mate. The premier league this year committed to investing £1.6bn between now and 2025 into the stadium fund. That is available to clubs at step 1-6 of non-league structure. It is a massive number and will make extraordinary differences. I coach for a club who is hoping to benefit with major ground improvements. Without it we may not last. That means adults down to 6 year olds losing out badly.

This is on top of prior investments too. Pop along to Blyth Spartans and see what they have done with premier league money. Loads of clubs have benefited.

As an aside a recent report suggested grassroots football was worth £10bn a year to the economy. £1.5bn of that was social benefits - health improvements etc. The value of grassroots to this country needs protecting.

If this happens the premier league will have less money. I think that is inevitable. Less money means less downward investment. Football would start to die at its roots I am afraid.

 

Unfortunately mate, that genie is well and truly out of the bottle and isn't being put back.

 

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The premier league give 16% of their broadcast revenues to the EFL and beyond. That is set to rise to c20% it is anticipated.

 

Oooh 16% split between 72 league clubs and however many hundreds of non league clubs.

Aren't they just the generous ones.

Just think, teams in the premier league get £2.2million extra per place up the league they finish. Imagine what that £2.2 million could do to non league football

 

Very true. Most businesses would be wound up sharpish if they were ran like football clubs.

Many clubs have forgotten what they are, or what they were founded for. That is, to represent those people of a region who came to watch a team, paid money to do so which funded that team, and grew a loyalty to it which sustained the team in hard times.

That's it. It is not to be the badge carrier for an opprobrius nation state, or a massive loss making diversion for a money laundering oligarch, or similar for a bored billionaire.

It's a game. And, as a game, it is dying.

 

It will be a lot less to distribute in a super league world...

 

Yep. And then they virtually rape lower league clubs of their most valuable assets, where extremely promising young players are taken and paid by a miserly matrix value system.

And it STILL isn't enough. They want more. And more. And they'll get it. And spend even more on the same players they would have bought anyway. It's not as if a new market for amazing players has opened up on Saturn, it'll just be £150m for Jack Grealish jnstead of £100m.

 

Still can’t see your argument, you’ve just said the top six take 2.5 billion from the 5 billion allocated and we would get 2 billion if they left, shared equally with the other clubs I believe it would be excellent. Every club would knock a potential 12 defeats off for the season and be much more competitive. I reckon 5 years and the super league would be gone if you think fans from our top clubs would be dropping from 40+ games a season to half a dozen. Most of those fans will spread out round the other clubs, they certainly won’t sit round a tv every game watching a fixed league.

 

And clubs would have to cut their cloth accordingly and maybe support non league clubs in the wider community with initiates.

Or do we keep the super rich, let them carry on taking the vast majority of the money for themselves and all aspire to being cannon fodder for them?

I want Sunderland to be the best club they can be, but I'm certainly not looking forward to us getting promoted and trying to be sensible with money so it keeps it affordable for the majority of fans and getting dry humped every week by a team of superstar players being paid for by countries or mega rich owners

 

So if the premier league has say £2.5bn less income per year, do you think they would still fund the grassroots game in the same way? Of course they wouldnt. They would become even more selfish and keep higher percentages for themselves. The gap would get bigger, not smaller. The premier league and modern football has eaten the soul of the game, we need a reset. Getting rid of the 6 clubs at the top, who arguably generate the majority of the income seems a pretty terrible way to reset to me.

 

Non league clubs can cut their cloth no more. I live it weekly. Without the major investment from the premier league I have mentioned earlier, there would be much less non league football to support. It seems really logical to me that a super league means less money into the premier league. They will then keep a greater share to themselves. The gap will get bigger, not smaller. People like me would end up not being able to coach, kids would not gain all of the benefits they can get now. I can see only really bad outcomes.