Grand Prix thread HEINEKEN GRANDE PRÊMIO DE SÃO PAULO 2022

It’s not going to be a confession though is it? Unless Perez owns up to it, it’s just an accusation and if the telemetry didn’t support investigation/action back then, then that’s not going to make any difference to how actionable it is.

 

Not commented on the race yet, so well done to George, he’s seemed off the boil compared to Hamilton recently, but bounced back at exactly the right time.

It’s strange how off the pace RedBull were this weekend, the sprint could be put down to picking the wrong tyre but they didn’t have much pace in the race either and it felt like they’d slipped backwards, rather than Merc stepping up significantly - slightly suspicious…

I’m also going with Max and Brundle on the penalty, over the years we’ve seen plenty of cars go through those turns in those kinds of positions. Given that, I’d have to say that the car on the outside was the reason for the crash. Stewards have just prolonged the childishness between Ham and Ver here, I suspect we’ll see another coming together in the future.

 

I've never seen Horner look weaker than he did after the race trying to excuse away such public disobedience and disrespect from Max. As you say, it's of their own making. I'm sort of surprised that someone as intimidating and outspoken as Marko hasn't taken Max aside and given him a damn good talking to.

 

Re the Max and Lewis crash: I definitely think Max has a big issue with Lewis. When he has been racing George and Charles he has picked his corners to have a battle and has given space where he needed to do, good clean but hard battles. The second corner incident was a rookie move, Max wasn't going to make that corner even if Lewis had given him a cars width, he was just at the wrong angle and had too much speed.
It's like Max is so fixated that Lewis has more titles than him he just gets the red mist and goes for every opportunity no matter what the consequences might be! It's a bit weird.
As for not giving the place back to Checo, and then saying he will help him in the last race, that's so short sighted and disrespectful for the team it's unbelievable. It doesn't matter what he thinks Checo did or didn't do, for the good of the team he should have helped Checo to get an additional point as who knows what will happen in the next race. I seem to remember Red Bull ordering Checo to let Max past to gain additional points very early on in previous seasons.
I would put money on there being an assist Max clause in Checo's contract with sever financial penalties for not doing so, maybe even a way to break the contract should he not comply. So for Checo I think he knows he will always be a supporting driver at Red Bull but I don't think he would have imagined the team not supporting him when they had nothing to lose but things to gain.

 

I think there's an element of that the other way round too. Sometimes Lewis behaves like he won't get a second opportunity when it comes to overtaking Max (and often he won't get one I suppose) and goes super-aggressive. I think it's fair to say there will always be needle between them. I don't see it changing now.

 

Didn't Ocon get a penalty for something similar on Max a few years ago, and Max was fuming.

 

That was when Occon was unlapping himself and Max didn't give him space
I think that lead to him assaulting Occon!

 

Wasn’t that when Ocon had just pitted for new tyres and the team told Max Ocon was going to overtake and unlap himself? In doing so Ocon went on the inside to overtake, but Max, being the twat he is just cut Ocon off and they collided costing Max the win? I think Lewis in the debrief said to Max he didn’t need to put himself in the position he did when there was more risk than reward.

 

Didn’t Horner try and justify Max punching Ocon by saying Ocon deserved worse?

 

That's the one!

 

He did and from that moment onwards I disliked Horner and still do. He showed who he really is.

 

I went back and looked at the footage again and I’ll stand by my - and Brundle’s - opinion, I do believe Max was sufficiently alongside to have earned some space, that he was in control of his car, that he wasn’t given a cars width with Hamilton turning into him further at the apex.

I do agree that across that they both seem to be able to do better when the other (+ Alonso in Hamilton’s case) isn’t involved. The racing between Max/Charles/Russell has been perfect, really tough but fair all year - more of that please everybody.

 

Honestly, probably six of one, half a dozen at the other. They just can't bring themselves to race rationally against each other.

 

Hamilton knows if he gives verstappen one inch he will take a mile so he gives it back and the spoiled brat will always hit back and go even more aggressive.

Both are fighters but the second they were dueling at that point of track contact was bound to come.

Same as ocon and alonso. Ocon would prefer to break both cars than be bested

 

Verstappen is just a nasty piece of work and Horner is a snake

I would love the top brass at RBR to wake up to what everyone outside of Holland think of those two and bin both of them and bring in Norris as the second driver

I know it will never happen but I just want Hamilton to get his eight title to beat Schumacher's record (another nasty piece of work) to shut his son up and then for Hamilton to go back to McLaren to use his experience to help the team and drivers

Just wishful thinking

 

You sure ain't mincing your words but can't argue with them.
As for your other comments, I think many of us want to see Lewis get the 8th and maybe more. When Jackie Stewart suggests he should retire, I roll my eyes. I would love Lewis to give the establihment cause to wring their hands. I detect racism behind some of the remarks which annoys me. I am not myself coloured and am therefore not senstive, but I do have friends who regularly experience it and can imagine how I would feel if the boot was on the other foot. I want Lewis to give the establishment the finger by acing a few (not just one more) championships. I am supporting Carlos too.

 

I have felt for a couple of years that so called British commentators were having orgasms on air because a white man was in danger of beating a black man who by all definitions should be a British hero

Mind you he does avoid British Tax and he does come out with some comments that should be aired in private

But he is ours and he was born a few miles up the road from me

 

Hamilton was in the top 5000 UK taxpayers in 2019 (0f 30m+):
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/prime-minister-urged-not-deny-152011350.html


And was 5th in the Sunday Times 2022 rankings for charitable donations (£20m donations).

 

Hamilton just as bad as Max and Schumacher, Ayton Senna was worse then them all put together but I bet you like him, people should like Red Bull as its finally ended the Mercedes dominants, I hope they go back to pre 2014 of struggling again.

 

Respect and Like are two different things. I respect Redbull but dislike them, beginning with Horner and Verstappen. It is good that Merc do not have it all their own way, I suspect no one has an argument with that, not even Lewis or Toto, unless others are cheating of course.